Camp Bastion.Conditions for civvy contractors.

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Guys,

Im a civvy contractor that has worked MOD for a while now, and Im off to see KBR next week regarding a position as an M&E Tech in Camp Bastion.

I did go to Basra with Turners, but got the hell out of there after a nasty rocket attack landed in our compound 150 yds from where we were shitting ourselves!! Oh, and one of our lads took some shrapnel in the leg.

Whats conditions like in Camp Bastion? Many rocket or mortar attacks, or is the aggro confined to the mountains and villages?

Any info gratefully received.
 
#2
I've been in Basra for over a year now, can't think who you might be?
Bastion is ok according to my mates that are out there.

I'm also just about to leave for another company, working in the far east.
 
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scooby_bloo said:
Guys,

Im a civvy contractor that has worked MOD for a while now, and Im off to see KBR next week regarding a position as an M&E Tech in Camp Bastion.

I did go to Basra with Turners, but got the hell out of there after a nasty rocket attack landed in our compound 150 yds from where we were shitting ourselves!! Oh, and one of our lads took some shrapnel in the leg.

Whats conditions like in Camp Bastion? Many rocket or mortar attacks, or is the aggro confined to the mountains and villages?

Any info gratefully received.
Surely you are getting paid good money to work in a war zone. Everytime you or some of your mates get hit, are you going to run away with your tail between your legs. You are asking does anyone know somewere you can work were theres no nasty fanatics!
Shrapnel in the leg? are you taking the piss?
People like you make me sick, 3 feathers come to mind!!!
ps more i think about it, why would you come here asking a question like that to people who has lost friends etc, do you another motive?
 
#4
In three feathers though, he turned out to be a hero?

Don't follow your logic?
 
#6
Your best bet is to ask the guy interviewing you at KBR. He'd be able to give you the latest from his lads. My bezzer is out there at the moment with KBR. He's still alive and well if that's a decent enough target indicator..
 
#7
TWWWWWWAT, how about FECK OFF AND DIE. Else where and preferably not where a member of HMF will have to dig your grave.
 

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Redshaggydog said:
TWWWWWWAT, how about FECK OFF AND DIE. Else where and preferably not where a member of HMF will have to dig your grave.
RSD - Sorry, but stop being such a complete Knob. Without Contractors willing to work in Basra, Bastion, and elsewhere, there'd be no internet, no Paradigm, and very little water. You obviously have never served anywhere abroad, have you? What a dick.

Oh, nearly forgot - a fair proportion of the Medical services are contractors. But you'd never need them, would you?
 
#9
No I have never served abroad!

Whilst I recognise the service these people provide, I also recognise the money they get paid to be were they are. A lot more than most of the serving soldiers get paid.

Why is that exactly, BECAUSE IT IS DANGEROUS. Well if you get paid the money then you take the sh1te.

I would be happy to mirror my career against yours, PM me and perhaps we can talk about it.

PISSED OFF!
 
#10
In fairness to the lads who do work for the contractors, quite a few arent ex-forces and dont have our mindset. Yes theyve signed up for a spell in a conflict area, but oft as not theyre informed in earnest by the company that it'll be quiet where they are. It can be and is, but sometimes it isnt, - situations change while the guys are out there as our friends change tactics and strategies and a safe area becomes quite bloody scary for a civvi (and squaddies too)

Dont have a go at the contractors, yes theyre out to earn a few quid more than average joe (usually to support their families, just like many of us) , but ultimately theyre working to keep us going.

Cut 'em a bit of slack.
 
#11
I say again, why are the wage high, because it is risky.

You's take your choice and you's take your chance.

I am happy that people get paid a huge amount for working in these conditions, what I like to see is people understanding where they are working and why. Funnily enough most of these are ex forces or contractors who have followed the forces for a long time. However, we are now seeing new contractors who pick up jobs because of the money then whinge like buggery because of 'Conditions, Danger, Being shot at, SHite food' and more.

Knowing how much the support elements earn, I am a little pissed that these contractors whinge so much.

However, having also seen the state of the KBR workers at some sites I am suprised anyone works for them... although most are eastern european!
 
#12
:? High wages? Theyre not that high.

These guys have to do the year stint to acquire the full 'wage' icluding the tax free bonus. So theyre on a year tour with R and R.

We do what, 6-9 months, with tax back and R and R.

Theyre doing 12 with tax back and R and R

So the average guy in say KRB gets what, 45k all in? Lets assume He is the equivalent of a Engr Lancejack / Fullscrew (basing this on my mate)

So that's what in Army paypacket terms..? 25k?

Add to that our extensive perks of the job. This is a reckonable factor to bring in.
we get:
Full Medical and Dental, whats that, 6k a year at least, up to 10k?

Full unreserved access to a Gymnasuim and Fitness Suite. Civvis pay what 600 quid for a full on membership to a decent Gym?

Travel discounts and perks of the Job (Claims and expenses) Another 400- 500 quid, dependant on who and what, etc?

We also get free pension scheme. Civvis pay into theirs. I suppose that's a grand or so, I dont know. Someone who plays with calculators can figure that out.

Reduced rent, no water rates, reduced Council tax. whats that.. 6k's worth saved?

We also get annual money for courses Learning Credits and Enhanced. Thats another few quid, not to mention career courses that benefit us in civvi street. Free membership of ILM being one Ive pulled off the top of my head, NVQ's another. There's plenty of courses that we get for free that civvis pay thru the nose for. Lets say that's another couple of grand.

So. KBR guy doing a year in say Kandahar with the odd rocket incoming 45k (with his tax back)

Engr Lance Jack ( A pad) sat in UK running an MT yard, shagging his missus every night and safe in the knowledge the closest he'll get to a conflict is an angry shopping trolley hitting his leg in Tescos on a Thursday evening when out with his wife and kid.
45k in reality, 25k on his pay statement.

And that's with the Squaddie in the UK! If the Squaddie were to deploy, he gets his tax back, plus extra after no way close to a year in theatre. The Squaddie ends up better off. Most still whinge as they cant see it in their pocket.

You still reckon the civvies are on a mint?! I earn more than my mate. something he found out quite quickly after he left HMF.
 
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scooby_bloo said:
Guys,

Im a civvy contractor that has worked MOD for a while now, and Im off to see KBR next week regarding a position as an M&E Tech in Camp Bastion.

I did go to Basra with Turners, but got the hell out of there after a nasty rocket attack landed in our compound 150 yds from where we were shitting ourselves!! Oh, and one of our lads took some shrapnel in the leg.

Whats conditions like in Camp Bastion? Many rocket or mortar attacks, or is the aggro confined to the mountains and villages?

Any info gratefully received.
I'm not sure what the situation is in Bastion at the minute, but if you left Basra because a rocket landed 150 yards away, I'd knock any ideas you may have about this type of work on the head.

Civvies aren't exposed to the same dangers as soldiers, but there are risks involved all the same - That's why you get the money.
 
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OldSnowy said:
Redshaggydog said:
TWWWWWWAT, how about FECK OFF AND DIE. Else where and preferably not where a member of HMF will have to dig your grave.
RSD - Sorry, but stop being such a complete Knob. Without Contractors willing to work in Basra, Bastion, and elsewhere, there'd be no internet, no Paradigm, and very little water. You obviously have never served anywhere abroad, have you? What a dick.

Oh, nearly forgot - a fair proportion of the Medical services are contractors. But you'd never need them, would you?
I dont think anyone is having a go at contracters as a whole. It was just this one particular person who wants to work in a high risk buisness somewere were there is very little risk and get paid the same money?
As well as that coming onto a Military forum and asking people this question, who put there lives on the line and have no choice but to go to were they are posted.
I am in the protection buisness myself and have also served abroad , more than once. Personaly reading that post embarrased me.
Its like joining the Army and asking what Regiment doesnt go to Iraq!!!
 
#16
No it isn't you throbber - and shaggydog - you're numpty too. This guy is a contractor - he said that. He is thinking about going to work in a different location and asked a question somewhere he knew he'd find people who could give 1st or perhaps 2nd hand information. He never compared himself to any military personnel or belittled the efforts of our troops. He has a choice as to where he works and would prefer not to work where he gets heavy mortar attack.

Fair enough. When I leave the military, I'd like to think I could have that choice. I'd also like to think that internet brave men didn't jump all over reasonable questions asked in good faith by civilians. You must be very small angry men. Without contractors we'd have thousands more guys deployed and far crappier conditions there. Get over yourselves.
 
#17
To answer the question - Bastion is pretty safe - in the middle of nowhere and to my knowledge hasn't been attacked (certainly wasn't in the 6 months I was in the 'Stan).
 
#18
As a service contractor to the military, I know how difficult it is to find good people to deploy to these places. It is probably true to say that management don´t go out of their way to point out the dangers of a deployment for fear for losing the guy. Also, you should bear in mind that most deployed personnel are not company employees - they are on short contracts which can be terminated for no reason at a days notice. There is zero job security, no welfare, no pension, possibly casevac arrangements in place. So I think it´s perfectly reasonable for them to come on here and ask a reasonable question from those who know.
 
#19
Lol at the numpties having a go at this bloke.

I served here as an Infantry soldier before I came here as a civvie.
Most of the military remfs on operations have to advance to get to McDonalds so they are not all big ruffty tuffty heros. There is no difference between me and some remf in Div HQ apart from they've got hard cover and I live in soft cover.
I get paid well because I bothered my arse to get some qualifications, maybe if you'd tried harder in school you could have a go at it too.

When I joined the army it was because I wanted to go on Ops, I wanted the danger and excitement and to see if I had what it takes. So I never complained about the danger.
Now I'm a civvie I just want maximum money for minimum risk, anyone wanting it different is a clown, usually a walt-clown. If I can find a job where they pay me shit loads for minimum danger then I'll take it every day over the more dangerous ones. (which is why I'm ******* right off from this shithole and going to the Beijing Olympics to work).

BTW I've been here well over a year as a civvie and I've seen some army blokes moaning like **** about the dangers (and running like scared little fannies when someone slams a door), so suggesting that all army people out here are stoic brave boys while the contractors are moaning poofs is showing you know **** all about reality in these places.

As you were...
 
#20
Good question and the right place to ask, sadly this site has its share of numptys like "shaggydog" who have never been there, but hopefully we can help,
Having been to both places (although Kabul not Bastion) there is not much of a difference between the two and as I understand it conditions in Bastion are getting better by the day (Brother-in-law currently deployed) but the risks remain very high and increase if your work takes you out of the camp. Having been to Afghanistan twice now wild horses would not get me to go again, hope this helps
 
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