Cameron proposes citizen service

#1
Well, i am sure that this has been discussed on here prior to today some time in the past, will this resurect the discussions between the political parties again, and then for it to be sent packing :?:

Cameron

Radio 2 did a piece on it too! Maybe he might be on to something, you never know :) As long as he left the forces out of it and used some one else he may have a point :idea:
 
#2
Yeah, but its not compulsary, which means none of the little bastards its supposed to be combatting will do it.
 
#3
He's been reading my mind...I always said that a pure military based National service would not really work and possibly not benefit HM Forces but a wider type of service with a mix of work in the community, with charities and an emphasis on pushing the kids, challenging them and making them feel good about themselves and their country is whats needed. I would hope that there would be a good element of discipline to it and not all feely feely (not a reference to anything paedo!) and does not become something like the Duke of Edinbugh award / Scout movement / Blue Peter badge...
 

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#5
Still being done now, Bundeswehr dienst or civil dienst - albeit the flags/uniforms have changed (at least during duty hours) :wink:

The boxheads are moving away from it though, and the French and others have also sacked the idea of national service in recent years.

I think Dave the Boy has the makings of a good idea - with a bit of encouragement and direction it could be a useful method. Every teenager could spend 3-6 months doing/learning something constructive without impact, and probably enhancement to, education or career.
 
#9
3-4 months after school and before college/university/job starts. No dole unless you attend. Learn new life skills such as feeding yourself, teamwork, collective responsibility, fitness and charector building, community service.

Pull in some of the volunary organisations: Op Raleigh, Duke of Edinburgh, Scouts and Guides etc.

Public and private sectors asked to provide some of their brightest and best as leaders and role models. Sportsmen and women, celebrities, business leaders to inspire (you'd have to fight the likes of Beardie Branson away with a sh*tty stick).

Universities, colleges and schools to provide facilities. Government and private funding.

Loads of ways it could work, however it all collapses because this government doesn't believe in the values that would be developed. In addition, none of the Yuman rites brigade would agree to youngsters being forced off street onto scheme like this.
 
#11
Its bollox in my opinion. The only people it will attract will be the same ones who do the ACF, Scout s and D of E etc. Your average hoodie scumbag will not want to know as it will interfere with his white lightning drinking and pushing war veterans in canals. I imagine too that the kids that do do it will have the piss ripped out of them no end for being nerdy. If it was compulsory it would be a different matter but would you want to be one of the adults giving supervision to a bunch of scumbags who really dont want to be there?
 
#12
And how the Guardian views it; "National Service".

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,2163511,00.html

Barking idea which will, as a previous poster has already mentioned, only attract the people who do D of E, Raleigh, etc.

Tell you a better way to spend the money to be wasted on this band aid political measure, build more jails, then arrest and sentance the feckers when they break the law.

As for taking the scrotes who this is aimed at, yeah I'd take them on a range ........if they can be used as targets (Is this allowed?).
 
#13
Great Idea.It must NOT be similar to the national service we all knew about back in the 40's & 50's etc.ALL youngsters should complete a service for two years where they are all put to work on behalf of the communities where they come from.Doing all sorts of jobs like looking after pensioners gardens and doing supervised jobs in and around their houses,keeping the streets and parks clean, getting rid of graffiti,learning skills such as joinery,plumbing,electrician skills,the list is long.That way the youngsters can at least use their energy to do something for themselves and earn some money at the same time.Keep the military out of it though.
 
#14
if your going to do it do it do it properly
national service were going to send an infantry division to Afghanistan anyone between 16-25 is liable for call up by lottery failure to turn up 5 years in jail :twisted:
nah didd'nt think so so why bother
 
#16
stinker said:
yeah I'd take them on a range ........if they can be used as targets (Is this allowed?).
It is allowed but and it's a big but you must not use the fat f*ckers as pop up targets as it knackers the electric motors, blood should be cleared up so as to not p*ss the range wardens off and of course don't get caught.
 
#17
I don't think Cameron was actually going to call it National Service as we all know it.But as someone has already said,"National Citizen Service" doing work etc in the community.The majority of the young today would simply not accept a military national service and why should they?
 
#18
Mag_to_grid said:
Its bollox in my opinion. The only people it will attract will be the same ones who do the ACF, Scout s and D of E etc. Your average hoodie scumbag will not want to know as it will interfere with his white lightning drinking and pushing war veterans in canals. I imagine too that the kids that do do it will have the urine ripped out of them no end for being nerdy. If it was compulsory it would be a different matter but would you want to be one of the adults giving supervision to a bunch of scumbags who really dont want to be there?
Hear, hear.

Only likely to appeal to those who would do something like this anyway.
Make it compulsory, linked to access to benefits etc and it stands a chance.

The way to beat the chav-tribes is by integration into society, by force if neccessary. Feckless youths have bred feckless youths. What are we on, the fourth or fifth generation by now?

Would be something of poetic justice to see them repairing the damage that they'd previously caused though....
 
#19
Don't give them the choice. Forcefully enlist young tw@ts into a 'Young Offenders Overhaul Foundation (Y.O.O.F.), based in some disused army base somewhere. Get rid of the sh*tty baseball caps and hoodies, kit them out in brown hessian jumpsuits and make them crack on for a couple of years. If mum and dad whinge about how their poor innocent baby needs to come out, or try to affect his attendance in any way, hit them with fines or stop their benefits.

Another route, so as not to exclude the young uns who actually give a sh*t about society, would be to introduce a rank and privileges system which benefits those who join up voluntarily or progress well within the system. It's there to rehabilitate, after all.

There's probably a dozen reasons why these ideas aren't really feasable, but they put a smile on my face at the thought of it, and that's all that matters.
 

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