Cameron Emasculates the 1922 Committee

#1
CMD is taking on the 1922 Committee by forcing them to allow ALL MPs to take part and vote in meetings.

Previously, only the rank and file were allowed to attend meetings, Ministers etc were not allowed.

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The Guardian


Why does this matter, because as Forsythe in the spectator says

. . . . the 1922 Committee has been the voice of the backbenchers. It is how they have held Conservative ministers and prime ministers to account.

Cameron’s move, if successful, would effectively remove that power from them. It would mean that around a third of the members of the 1922 could be whipped and that the 1922 was far easier to control. . . .
 
#2
Couldn't care less to be honest. Makes no difference to those of us who don't partake of party politics.

How's life in the LiberalDemocrats these days?
 
#3
Whet said:
CMD is taking on the 1922 Committee by forcing them to allow ALL MPs to take part and vote in meetings.

Previously, only the rank and file were allowed to attend meetings, Ministers etc were not allowed.

Conservative Home

The Guardian


Why does this matter, because as Forsythe in the spectator says

. . . . the 1922 Committee has been the voice of the backbenchers. It is how they have held Conservative ministers and prime ministers to account.

Cameron’s move, if successful, would effectively remove that power from them. It would mean that around a third of the members of the 1922 could be whipped and that the 1922 was far easier to control. . . .
Have you quit from the Lib Dems yet? Honour and all that!
 
#4
This is what happens when you get in league with the likes of Nick Clegg and his rabble. Nearly 100 years of tradition swept away in the blink of an eye.
 
#5
Lance_corp_more_rant said:
Whet said:
CMD is taking on the 1922 Committee by forcing them to allow ALL MPs to take part and vote in meetings.

Previously, only the rank and file were allowed to attend meetings, Ministers etc were not allowed.

Conservative Home

The Guardian


Why does this matter, because as Forsythe in the spectator says

. . . . the 1922 Committee has been the voice of the backbenchers. It is how they have held Conservative ministers and prime ministers to account.

Cameron’s move, if successful, would effectively remove that power from them. It would mean that around a third of the members of the 1922 could be whipped and that the 1922 was far easier to control. . . .
Have you quit from the Lib Dems yet? Honour and all that!
Yes
 
#6
Ancient_Mariner said:
This is what happens when you get in league with the likes of Nick Clegg and his rabble. Nearly 100 years of tradition swept away in the blink of an eye.
I'm all for tradition A_M, but WTF did they do?
 
#7
jagman said:
Couldn't care less to be honest. Makes no difference to those of us who don't partake of party politics.

How's life in the LiberalDemocrats these days?
Getting along without me I suppose
 
#8
Whet said:
jagman said:
Couldn't care less to be honest. Makes no difference to those of us who don't partake of party politics.

How's life in the LiberalDemocrats these days?
Getting along without me I suppose
So, when are you signing for for milibands lot?
 
#9
Whet said:
jagman said:
Couldn't care less to be honest. Makes no difference to those of us who don't partake of party politics.

How's life in the LiberalDemocrats these days?
Getting along without me I suppose
Splendid! Pleased to hear it.
Principle often demands a price that isn't easy to pay but without that principal we aren't worth anything.


Back to the point, apart from a slight hint of the kind of control freakery New Labour exerted over its MP's I can't see much issue with changesto the 1922 Committee
Personally I would prefer to see politicians subject to the will of the people rather than government trying to bend the people to its will. I doubt we shall ever see it though.
I ma strongly of the opinion that politicians should serve this country by adminstering it on our bhalf and little more than that.

The 1922 Committee serves the Conservative Party and not the wishes of the electorate, as such I am happy enought to see their power reduced.
Politicians should fear the public and not focus their attention on internal interests.
 
#10
Ancient_Mariner said:
This is what happens when you get in league with the likes of Nick Clegg and his rabble. Nearly 100 years of tradition swept away in the blink of an eye.
Well AM, if you will elect the most left-wing government since Callahan, you've got to expect these things ... :D
 
#11
Whet said:
Lance_corp_more_rant said:
Whet said:
CMD is taking on the 1922 Committee by forcing them to allow ALL MPs to take part and vote in meetings.

Previously, only the rank and file were allowed to attend meetings, Ministers etc were not allowed.

Conservative Home

The Guardian


Why does this matter, because as Forsythe in the spectator says

. . . . the 1922 Committee has been the voice of the backbenchers. It is how they have held Conservative ministers and prime ministers to account.

Cameron’s move, if successful, would effectively remove that power from them. It would mean that around a third of the members of the 1922 could be whipped and that the 1922 was far easier to control. . . .
Have you quit from the Lib Dems yet? Honour and all that!
Yes
Then you have my respect, well done for sticking to your principles even if it was a bitter pill to swallow.
I salute you, but do not always agree with you. :)
 
#12
Interesting point Jagman, expect that you miss out one vital point.

The whole basis of the 1922 committee was separation of powers, in that it was the Legislature holding the Executive to account, which is why (when in office) Ministers of the Crown are granted rights of audience only. It is something that the Labour Party have never allowed because they fear the combined voice of their Backbenchers (on whom the majority is based).

The 1922 forms a check and balance to the Executive arm of the Party whilst governing and it's devaluation is fairly significant.
 
#13
Ancient_Mariner said:
This is what happens when you get in league with the likes of Nick Clegg and his rabble. Nearly 100 years of tradition swept away in the blink of an eye.
The modernisation of politics, about time things started to change.
 
#14
jinxy said:
Ancient_Mariner said:
This is what happens when you get in league with the likes of Nick Clegg and his rabble. Nearly 100 years of tradition swept away in the blink of an eye.
I'm all for tradition A_M, but WTF did they do?
Not trying to be a twaaart, but I have also heard of this 1922 Committee but have no idea what its purpose is - anyone able to sum it up in a sentence or two?
 
#15
Pasted from the bbc website.

"The 1922 Committee is separate from the Tory leadership, and keeps it informed about the mood on the back benches.
The committee, which takes its name from the year in which its founders were elected, meets each week to discuss parliamentary business and take grievances to the Conservative leadership."

In a nutshell, simply put.
 
#17
Gremlin said:
Interesting point Jagman, expect that you miss out one vital point.

The whole basis of the 1922 committee was separation of powers, in that it was the Legislature holding the Executive to account, which is why (when in office) Ministers of the Crown are granted rights of audience only. It is something that the Labour Party have never allowed because they fear the combined voice of their Backbenchers (on whom the majority is based).

The 1922 forms a check and balance to the Executive arm of the Party whilst governing and it's devaluation is fairly significant.
I sort of missed the point, what I was trying to say is that the 1922 Committee serves the interests of back bench Conservatives, not the interests of the electorate.
I would rather see the politicians focus on the wants and needs of the electorate rather the wants and needs of their own political party.
I don't feel changes to the 1922 Committee will translate to any improvements in the way politicians serve us but nor do I believe it will make it any worse.
 
#18
parapauk said:
Ancient_Mariner said:
This is what happens when you get in league with the likes of Nick Clegg and his rabble. Nearly 100 years of tradition swept away in the blink of an eye.
Well AM, if you will elect the most left-wing government since Callahan, you've got to expect these things ... :D
Too true. Just wait till Dave sorts out the Boundary Commission though. There'll be another election in the autumn quickly followed by a 'night of the long knives'

Hopefully, Norman Tebbitt will be PM by Christmas.


Oh, and err Sven. The Liberal Democrats still seem to think that you are the Skipton Branch Chairman. I'd recognise those rotund, 80% disabled features and your home phone number anywhere.

Are you sure that you resigned? Did you forget to pop the letter in the post?
 
#20
Whet said:
CMD is taking on the 1922 Committee by forcing them to allow ALL MPs to take part and vote in meetings.
Rather disingenuous (yes, I checked the spelling) of you Whet 8O , CMD is asking them to vote on his proposal, not forcing them to change.

Bloody typical, still talking like a politician, even after resigning.

Shiny.
 

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