Cameron: Aims to cut immigration by 75%

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Anything would be a good start, as long as he follows up on his pre-election promises. I seriously doubt it will even be mentioned again if he wins though.
 

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rampant said:
beemer007 said:
I'd like to see how he'd realistically manage to achieve this aim :?

He also states there is 70 Million too many in the UK

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...igration-75-cent.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo

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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6982825.ece

False promises maybe?
So he's aiming to make the UK population -9 million or so, I really like to see that, how do great a negative population?

ps I'm only being cheeky :D
8.995 million Chavs and a few MPs
 
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lsquared said:
GOOD!

Could that figure be 'added to' by deportations?
Hopefully!

Note: See the quotation in my “signature box” below - from “Jaeger”, on ARRSE, dated Fri 23 Oct 2009.
 
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The Cross Party Committee on Balanced Migration very recently published a declaration calling upon all parties to make manifesto pledges to prevent the UK population reaching 70 million by 2029. It's sort of difficult to grasp that, but if you think of it in terms of another 4 cities the size of Birmingham, all requiring water when the land to soak it up will be buried beneath concrete and tarmac, with all of the attendent extra flooding that could cause. Then, there's power requirements and pollution, waste management, ad infinitum. It starts to get get scary - and much of the aforesaid will be Nu Labours legacy of multicultural Britain whether future governments are able to balance migration or not. :x Tossers!
 
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I voted for the Tories in the European Elections when they were pretending to be "Ironclad" Eurosceptics, so frankly I'll believe it when I see it... which I'm pretty sure I won't.
 
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Closeing the stable door after the horse has bolted comes to mind. He still can't stop them coming in from any part of the EU.
 
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Is he going to use the same methods to cut emigration by 75% or is it just going to be the same British hypocrisy on people moving to other counties for a better life?
 
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smartascarrots said:
Is he going to use the same methods to cut emigration by 75% or is it just going to be the same British hypocrisy on people moving to other counties for a better life?
There is, however, a not very subtle difference. Most Brits leaving these shores for a "better life" (real or imagined) are generally not a drain on the welcoming countries system, indeed, they generally bring in money on the purchasing of property etc and what they spend in the local economy.
Not all those who come to UK are a drain, but there are many that are. I think I read just today that thousands of immigrants to UK sign on for benefits after just 6 weeks of being in the country. They also (not all) expect to be housed which the Brit expat will not. Most countries (even those in the EU) do not offer totally free medical services which the UK does. So hardly hypocrisy if you escape this septic isle and have the wherewithal to support yourself and your family, unlike many of those coming the other way.
 
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And just how he is going to do it exactly?!? And what does he mean by "immigration"?

Does he mean illegal immigration whether its for the purpose of claiming asylum or for purely economic reasons i.e to get a job in the shadow economy.

Or is he talking about cutting down the number of work permits and student visas that will be issued?

Or is he talking about cutting down the number of outstanding cases in the UK currently languishing in the Asylum system all with outstanding applications?

As usual its a politician (regardless of political affiliation) jumping on the immigration bandwagon as soon as an election is near.

Will I think he will do any of it?

No, and that's not because I doubt his sincerity but because there is no money to do anything. The immigration system in the UK is in a very sorry state. More and more bogus applications are being submitted every day, more illegal immigrants are crossing the border than ever before, more employers are employing illegal immigrants than before etc etc. But most worringly the operational officers tasked with combating these increases are having their funding slashed more and more, when an officer retires, resigns, is signed off ill or moves on promotion they are not being replaced and they are lacking the tools and the policy to do their job properly.

Cameron may as well be saying that he will turn back the tides of the sea and we all know how that ended for a previous ruler of the UK don't we.
 

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brecon_billy said:
...Cameron may as well be saying that he will turn back the tides of the sea and we all know how that ended for a previous ruler of the UK don't we.
Pedantry mode on:- The former ruler to which you refer was the danish King Canute. Canute never actually claimed he could turn back the sea, it was his courtiers who went around bragging that their leige was so powerful he had command over the seas and tides.

Canute set his throne by the sea, at Bosham, and ordered the sea to turn back, which it did not obvioulsy. He thus declaimed:

"Let all men know how empty and worthless is the power of kings, for there is none worthy of the name, but He whom heaven, earth, and sea obey by eternal laws."

Pedantry mode off.
 
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IMHO all we have to do to cut immigration is stop being such a soft touch.

Cut befits in general and to recent immigrants in particular, and people will stop coming here for them. Add in the effect of forcing British layabouts to work and there will be a lot less people coming here to do the jobs they were refusing to do.

Get tough on crime and we will get rid of a lot of foreign criminals. If the toughness includes the reintroduction of the death penalty then we can get rid of a few people that way.
 
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Mobat said:
IMHO all we have to do to cut immigration is stop being such a soft touch.

Cut befits in general and to recent immigrants in particular, and people will stop coming here for them. Add in the effect of forcing British layabouts to work and there will be a lot less people coming here to do the jobs they were refusing to do.

Get tough on crime and we will get rid of a lot of foreign criminals. If the toughness includes the reintroduction of the death penalty then we can get rid of a few people that way.
That is all very sensible however all lot of illegal migration is facilitated by people smugglers whose business is all based on selling the UK as the land of milk and honey. Whilst it is good approach to take we would also need to dismantle the networks that facilitate these migrants getting to the UK in the first place from the top down.

Also I was wondering how long it would take for someone to tear into my King Canute (Cnut) analogy :oops:
 
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exbleep said:
There is, however, a not very subtle difference. Most Brits leaving these shores for a "better life" (real or imagined) are generally not a drain on the welcoming countries system
Let’s see your figures for that, and for the corresponding economic impact of immigration. Preferably not from the Centre for Everybody Knows Studies at the University of Bloke Down Pub.

While we’re looking, here’s from the horse’s mouth that a fair number of Brit émigrés don’t have the wherewithal to be anything but a drain on the local resources.

exbleep said:
indeed, they generally bring in money on the purchasing of property etc and what they spend in the local economy.
As do the ones who come to Britain buying up property.

exbleep said:
I think I read just today that thousands of immigrants to UK sign on for benefits after just 6 weeks of being in the country.
Post a link and I’ll address the points as I read them. I think I read where everyone coming to the UK had to dance the mamba with Maggie Thatcher while reciting ‘And did those feet in ancient times’. Let’s all take that as gospel as well, why don’t we?

exbleep said:
They also (not all) expect to be housed which the Brit expat will not. Most countries (even those in the EU) do not offer totally free medical services which the UK does. So hardly hypocrisy if you escape this septic isle and have the wherewithal to support yourself and your family, unlike many of those coming the other way.
And more handy advise to the retiring Expat.

In France there is also a social charge of 7.1 per cent in addition to the income tax on pensions. This is waived if you are receiving the UK state pension and you have completed a Form E121 from the DWP.
UK pensioners don't pay their full whack if they retire to France. Not exactly 'supporting themselves' the way the locals have to, is it? Or there's

If you are retiring to Europe, you may be able to claim benefits in that country. The benefits you receive in the UK may also be affected by your move abroad. For example, if you are receiving pension credits in the UK this ceases once you become a UK non-resident, but you can still claim incapacity benefit in some European countries.
Bloody scroungers, if you ask me! Going there, taking homes off of hard working foreigners, sponging off benefits... and I would bet be amongst the first to complain about others doing same in the UK.

And as if that weren't enough, they still find time to complain that the host government isn't doing things they way they want and try to get it changed.

Brits respecting local society.

The main objectives of the British ExPats Association (Spain) are to :-

Remove the discriminatory culture towards ExPats that exists in both UK and Spanish Government Departments.
Advise and inform British Expats who live in Spain, either permanently or part time, of their rights.
Harness support, from whatever sources we can, to achieve our objectives.
Present a list of the benefits ExPats are, or maybe, entitled to.
Pressure the European Union to support and fight for British ExPats rights.
Offer Expats points of contact to assist in their particular cause.
Feed Expats with the latest news, rumours and adverse proposals - that might affect them.
Utilise the media, whenever possible, and enlist their active support.
Pressure M.Ps into supporting our plight by use of our UK voting rights.
Recruit professional people, Companies or organisations, where possible, so as to advance our cause.
Recruit Expats willing to offer support to serve our varying problems.
Seek financial support via the E.U. sponsorships etc to further our aims.
Open a Hall of Shame and enter those, who are empowered to assist ExPats, but fail to do so - U.K. or Spanish.
If they don't like how things are there, why don't they fuck off back where they came from? Oh, yeah - that's right. That doesn't apply to Brits abroad. :roll:
 
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brecon_billy said:
That is all very sensible however all lot of illegal migration is facilitated by people smugglers whose business is all based on selling the UK as the land of milk and honey. Whilst it is good approach to take we would also need to dismantle the networks that facilitate these migrants getting to the UK in the first place from the top down.
I don't think that the people smugglers can fool people completely. If life is really tough for immigrants, particularly illegal ones, then the message will get back and people will stop asking to be smuggled.
 

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