Cambelt change

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  1. And so it has come to pass that the old Y reg Xsara Picasso has reached that time in life when it needs a cam belt change (75000 miles on a Y reg motor isnt bad eh!)

    I did briefly look at doing the job myself but from what I can see on the net, its one of the jobs that looks easy but if you dont know exactly what your at, you can kill your engine!

    I have searched around for a couple of quotes and had ones as cheap as £140 (is this too cheap? Obviously dont want a cowboy bodge job done) or as much as £400!!

    What should I expect to pay for this work to be done, all previous work has been done by the Citroen dealer I brought the car from, but they quoted £400 which seems a bit excessive!

    Im drawn towards this firm at the moment: £216 all in seems around right. Any tip top arrser advice?
  2. Although I bow to the might of Arrse for a lot of things, I prefer for all things motoring!

  3. My local Citroen dealer charged £350 for a Xsara 1.6 16V only last month. £140 is prbably suspiciously low and £400 over the top.

    Not a job I would attempt myself and I am relatively handy with a wrench. Do bear in mind that you should also be looking at a full service at the same time and may end up with a few unexpected problems (like a broken engine mount at £25 for example).
  4. Note that thenvs one qoutes for a full cam belt kit change, I'm not familiar with Citroens but that normally means any idlers etc that need changing as a matter of routine. The £140 qoute is more than likely for a belt only and nothing else. It will also likely be the cheapest pattern part belt available.
    You get what you pay for (as a rule) and you want the work gauranteed.
    Cambelt failure usually means a big bill and a couple of hundred quid from thenvs seems a fair price.
    Maindealer prices have high labour charges and genuine parts only, thats why the premium price. At 8 years old there isn't a great benefit to paying for main dealer service.
  5. My bold, yep get the belt off by a few notches or fail to tension the belt properly and it's piston meets valve, goodbye engine. Its nit so easy nowadays as it's probably a 16v engine so two cam wheels, air con belt, power steering belt, alternator belt.

    £400 to be fair isn't that bad from a main dealer. I would bet the cheap quote, they will just change the belt (with non-Citroen part). The main dealer will possibly change the belt, all auxillery belts and cam belt tensioner/s.

    So check what they are quoting for. Which ever way you go, make sure the main belt changed is a Citroen part, then if does go tits up after changing it's between the garage and Citroen, not garage>citroen>a n other parts company.

    Clear as mud!
  6. Get the dealer to do it,if it goes wrong it's down to them,it may need pulleys and bits that are not included in the £140.At least with the dealer they know (or should know)the proper way to do it.Paid about £360 for a renault one before.
  7. Had a quick look through all my Honda cambelt changes, all done at either Honda dealers or Honda/Japanese specialists - all changed the tensioners and/or aux belts at the same time (never had a cambelt go, probably because of that). The cheapest was £320 for a 98 civic in... 2002 at a Honda dealer. My Accord cost me £340 at the Jap specialist and £390 at the Honda dealer. So it all sounds in the right ball-park. I'd make sure you go somewhere that replaces all wear and tear parts associated with the cambelt - if your cambelt goes it's more often than not a write-off and can be dangerous when your engine tries to eat itself at 70mph on the m4 (a friend's experience). I'm surprised you've not changed the cambelt before now actually, as there's normally a time limit on the life as well of anywhere between 6 and 9 years - you're probably on "borrowed time". At least (to my knowledge) Citroen didn't reduce the length of time between cambelts like Vauxhall ended up doing - they halved it on some cars to something like every 3 years or 36,000 miles which makes for very expensive running costs!
  8. If your picasso engine layout is the same as my Reno Scenic it may be wise to get the water pump done at the same time as this is in the same location and can only beaccessed when the timing belt is removed.

    I have just had my timing belt done it cost £998.66 this was due to the fact the high pressure diesel pump was faulty and i kept getting "check injectors" coming up on my trip computer. New pump, timing belt and car battery, oil sensor plus labour etc came to £998.66 done at a Reno dealer. that is with special forces discount that i haggled with, total price should have been £1200
  9. It won't be - Renault is not part of the PSA group (Peugeot and Citroen)
  10. Some makers have got cam belt changing up to 100k now, and the belts don't tend to crack with age now. I know that Toyota are working on oils and filters to move basic servicing to 50k intervals.

    Ford's V6 Mondeo models almost needs only fluid/tyre changes up to 100k, exhaust, brakes all other sundries commonly last up to and beyond!
  11. Got my cambelt changed last week, 02 Picasso 2.0 HDi, at 95,000 miles. The owner's manual reckons that the belt's good for 100,000 miles - but only on the 2.0 HDi!

    I took it to a garage that specialises in French cars - one I've dealt with for several years for the technical stuff (routine stuff goes to Formula 1). Cambelt, auxiliary belt, water pump and hose (latter two were found to be leaking when the covers came off) came to £383.

    Any garage that values its trade will get parts from the local motor factor, not an accessory shop (for one thing, it's cheaper - e.g. wiper blades at Halfords, £30, wiper blades from motor factor, £8.50). The motor factor will get its supplies from a main manufacturer, just as Citroen do. Get a part from a Citroen main dealer and you'll find that its contained in two boxes. The pretty Citroen box is merely wrapped over the box that you'd get from the motor factor.

    I went off main dealers years ago when I took a 2CV in for a service and they tried to charge me for anti-freeze. Another tried to kid me that I needed two new front shock absorbers. 8O (2CV doesn't have front shocks).
  12. I checked this out, apparently for my model (1.8 16v) its 75000 miles or 10 years whichever is sooner on diesel variants its up to 100,000 miles!

    So fingers crossed I will collar it in time!
  13. Go to Quick Fit they now do general servicing, CAM belts etc. A full service saved me £150
  14. Don't. Service, OK. Anything that requires special tools, they either can't or shouldn't.
  15. Seconded. I'll never use kwikfit or however they're spelt. A few years ago my parent's car started making a funny noise - they stopped at a kwikfit, not wanting to drive any further in that state, they left with a new exhaust and two new rear tyres to sort out the noise - 10 miles later with the noise even worse they stopped at the Seat garage in Middle Wallop - up on the ramp, quick look - "call the aa, your engine's about to fall out, all but one of the engine mounts has snapped". Kwikfit couldn't tell the engine was lopsided and half hanging out. I wouldn't trust them with my small, wooden spoon let alone my car.