Calling prison officers.

I read the blurb on some of Aldis graduate jobs , start on 45k with Audi A4 and you will be on 75k in 4 years .

I expect its hard work but that never killed anyone . Better than getting battered or having to do with nasty stuff !
100 hour weeks and the car is becssue they move you around stores in a 100 ish mile radius from the first one you work at

work has to be done , can;t ask hourly paid staff to staff on beyond their rostered shift without O?T and OT budget limited which means 'managers' doing replen because if it;s not done those who have escaped to the next levle up will shit on you
 
and work 100 hours a week , the reason they give you company car is that you can be sent to anywhere in a 2 hour travel radius without any consideration of accomodation ...
You get a company credit card and there is always hotels made available.
 
Why do Aldi & Lidl pay well?

Because it’s hard work.

The people on the graduate/manager scheme start on the shop floor working the tills, stacking shelves etc.

I know a guy that went for a job in one of their distribution centres in the middle of the country. The nature of the job was that you could get a call at 2am saying there was a problem.

That problem could be in another distribution centre at the other end of the country ..... and your going for 6 weeks
 
Funny how this thread has been revived ( rightly so due to the prison officer protests ) but it's just people attacking aldi? Tesco spammers?
I read in the job description that you would be put into a area of four stores so that would mean an area of a county rather than countrywide.
The graduates I see always look happy and enthusiastic when I visit. I can't see a company that's known to look after here staff ( decent wage etc ) effectively treating there staff like dogs.
 
Funny how this thread has been revived ( rightly so due to the prison officer protests ) but it's just people attacking aldi? Tesco spammers?
I read in the job description that you would be put into a area of four stores so that would mean an area of a county rather than countrywide.
The graduates I see always look happy and enthusiastic when I visit. I can't see a company that's known to look after here staff ( decent wage etc ) effectively treating there staff like dogs.
It’s tough, but like any “basic” trainings out get past it. My sister has three stores twelve miles is the furthest she has too travel unless going the regional HO, then that’s 30.

She gets to pick her own days off usually Sunday and Wednesday.
 
I'm now an OSG after many years as an Officer & too old to be rolling around on the floor trying to control someone a lot younger than me. Apart from the ex squaddie ailment of dodgy knees!
Despite being a POA member, I didn't strike because I knew from talking to a mate in the car park that an offender had killed himself during the night & they'd had a crap time of it.
It was more important to me to take over in the gate so that they could get home.
We're now sixty seven, that's sixty seven officers short in a jail with a CNA of just over a thousand.
I was talking to one of our SO's who deals with the new Officers, he said we are losing three Officers for every two that we gain.
At this point, I'd like to thank the bloody Border Force for "poaching" so many experienced Officers (closed grade) into a much higher paid, much easier job. Although I don't blame the Officers in the slightest.
I don't see any way that this situation can continue.
Neither do I see any practical way to resolve it.
We are getting new officers who clearly should not have survived their assessment day never mind survived training & I would bet good money on the ones who wil be off with "stress" within less than a week.
Do potential Prison Officers not do some research on what the job involves? It's hardly stacking shelves at tesco.
I would also bet good money that the over riding consideration at assessment & during training is to put bums on seats rather than consider the consequences of recruiting totally unsuitable Officers.
After all, that Government target for recruiting Officers won't hit itself.

Are prisons in crisis? Absolutely.
 
Undervalued you are completely right. The Prison Service is upping the salary but even that isn’t retaining staff. More staff will leave or go sick/ get paid off. Sadly it will take more than increasing the pay, the whole prison service is in turmoil. To be honest I don’t blame people for leaving, they are mostly thrown into the deep end with little or no support. It’s a very draining job with little appreciation. More prisoners less staff.
My dad joined the Prison service in 91, lots more staff, lots more experience and generally most people who joined actually stayed.
 
Why do Aldi & Lidl pay well?

Because it’s hard work.

The people on the graduate/manager scheme start on the shop floor working the tills, stacking shelves etc.

I know a guy that went for a job in one of their distribution centres in the middle of the country. The nature of the job was that you could get a call at 2am saying there was a problem.

That problem could be in another distribution centre at the other end of the country ..... and your going for 6 weeks
A DE Captain that I know left to join Aldi as a regional/area manager. He earns more than he did in the army and his work load is much lower.
 
Undervalued you are completely right. The Prison Service is upping the salary but even that isn’t retaining staff. More staff will leave or go sick/ get paid off. Sadly it will take more than increasing the pay, the whole prison service is in turmoil. To be honest I don’t blame people for leaving, they are mostly thrown into the deep end with little or no support. It’s a very draining job with little appreciation. More prisoners less staff.
My dad joined the Prison service in 91, lots more staff, lots more experience and generally most people who joined actually stayed.
I've not heard the service is increasing pay.
Is that local or national?

ETA: I know that two of three years ago, a prison about an hour from mine greatly increased pay for new staff due to recruiting problems.
All this did was create jealousy in staff at other jails.
 
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Apparently they do, but have good benefits. Private health care, audi a4.

My sister works for them, Area Manager been there for 6 years, on close to 60k. Doing office type work. Going to the USA for two years, then back for a ops position. 110k. Not bad for a classical arts degree.

She is a precious snow flake though.
The saying within retail is that Aldi pays their managers like princes but works them like dogs. Managers at Tesco, Sainsbury etc tend to do little outside of their specialised roles. In Aldi, it's not uncommon for a Store Manger to stack shelves, clean up spills in the aisles and serve customers on check outs, which would be unthinkable in most of the Big 4 chains.

Aldi managers do tend to have a high burn out rate, though, and many will move to Tesco etc for an easier life, even if the pay isn't as good.
 
Many places now start on a minimum of 22k per annum. Each jail has its own pay from what I gather. According to civil service website last time I checked, some new officers start on £29k. This is more than many Police Forces start on. But I’m out after a very short career, I prefer a less stressful job for a lower salary.
As a recruit I did one week at my prison. Then went on a residential course for 6 weeks before returning to my final week. My final week consisted of me going ‘live’ on shift. No additional training, no mentor. Austerity had already kicked in, my place had pretty much all new starters. Been in job two weeks and left as IC of a spur, not really knowing the routine yet. Staff shortages, cell bells going off continuously, prisoners lying to you, yes we expect that but I’m talking about cons telling you they are supposed to be on education/ visits when they aren’t on the list and cons saying that shouldn’t be going to education when they are on the list. You then try ringing up relevant department to confirm this, by now free flow has finished so you have to escort con to where he’s supposed to be. Also got criticism by management for doing or not doing something, sometimes an email with a please explain why...get some manager in a suit telling you how your supposed to do your job while they’re sitting in a cosy office in another building.
 
As a former prison officer I have to say I loved the job. Northern Ireland is probably. About 10 years behind the rest of the UK but the job isn't actually too bad the pay and pension could be better. The main bit of advice I got whe. I joined the job was " you are the officer, you have the keys, you decided if they get out of the cell".
There was no association in the landings it was always yard or locked. I only left for the better pay In the police. If they matched the pay for both I wouldn't have left.
 
Many places now start on a minimum of 22k per annum. Each jail has its own pay from what I gather. According to civil service website last time I checked, some new officers start on £29k. This is more than many Police Forces start on. But I’m out after a very short career, I prefer a less stressful job for a lower salary.
As a recruit I did one week at my prison. Then went on a residential course for 6 weeks before returning to my final week. My final week consisted of me going ‘live’ on shift. No additional training, no mentor. Austerity had already kicked in, my place had pretty much all new starters. Been in job two weeks and left as IC of a spur, not really knowing the routine yet. Staff shortages, cell bells going off continuously, prisoners lying to you, yes we expect that but I’m talking about cons telling you they are supposed to be on education/ visits when they aren’t on the list and cons saying that shouldn’t be going to education when they are on the list. You then try ringing up relevant department to confirm this, by now free flow has finished so you have to escort con to where he’s supposed to be. Also got criticism by management for doing or not doing something, sometimes an email with a please explain why...get some manager in a suit telling you how your supposed to do your job while they’re sitting in a cosy office in another building.
From a OLD & BOLD EX Screw,

Do NOT, I repeat do NOT answer 'Please Explains', if they the Management think you have done something wrong, then let them investigate you by the Official Code of Discipline.

Do not give them the rope to hang you!!!!

You should have the card in your possession at all times which states 'Sir/Madam; I am happy to assist you in your investigation into my alleged offences. However until such time you have served me the the relevant DAP'S FORMS and I have taken advice from my Trade Union Representative I do not wish to make any comment or make a written statement.

There is no requirement to incriminatory yourself.

There is a similar card for Police Investigations which states until I have taken 'Legal Advice etc'.

If you are a member of the POA then these statements are in your expensive POA Diary.

Remember 'HAPPINESS IS CELL DOOR SHAPED WITH A VILLAIN (OR FEW) LOCKED BEHIND IT.
 
I'm now an OSG after many years as an Officer & too old to be rolling around on the floor trying to control someone a lot younger than me. Apart from the ex squaddie ailment of dodgy knees!
Despite being a POA member, I didn't strike because I knew from talking to a mate in the car park that an offender had killed himself during the night & they'd had a crap time of it.
It was more important to me to take over in the gate so that they could get home.
We're now sixty seven, that's sixty seven officers short in a jail with a CNA of just over a thousand.
I was talking to one of our SO's who deals with the new Officers, he said we are losing three Officers for every two that we gain.
At this point, I'd like to thank the bloody Border Force for "poaching" so many experienced Officers (closed grade) into a much higher paid, much easier job. Although I don't blame the Officers in the slightest.
I don't see any way that this situation can continue.
Neither do I see any practical way to resolve it.
We are getting new officers who clearly should not have survived their assessment day never mind survived training & I would bet good money on the ones who wil be off with "stress" within less than a week.
Do potential Prison Officers not do some research on what the job involves? It's hardly stacking shelves at tesco.
I would also bet good money that the over riding consideration at assessment & during training is to put bums on seats rather than consider the consequences of recruiting totally unsuitable Officers.
After all, that Government target for recruiting Officers won't hit itself.

Are prisons in crisis? Absolutely.
I'm due back very soon after mucho days off (part time/leave) don't know if I can be Arrsed to bother going back.-- Don't need the dosh,but like it!-----------The dosh,that is!
 
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PS-- I was off over 5 months for family reasons(unpaid) it was not great when I went off,but when I got back it was even more Krap.
First day,back on a new landing-----within 20 minutes I was wrestling (I won) with a knut of an 18 year old(This being an adult nick)
Don't join!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!---- try the Legion instead!
I was coming up for 60 at this time.
 
PS-- I was off over 5 months for family reasons(unpaid) it was not great when I went off,but when I got back it was even more Krap.
First day,back on a new landing-----within 20 minutes I was wrestling (I won) with a knut of an 18 year old(This being an adult nick)
Don't join!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!---- try the Legion instead!
I was coming up for 60 at this time.

You seem to be undecided at this time. Jack it in FFS - life`s too fookin short.
 
I've often said that our healthcare will end up killing someone.
I've seen the orderly officer frantically phoning round to get a first aid trained member of staff to attend another member of staff having a suspected heart attack.
Healthcare refused to treat him because he wasn't an offender. Don't nurses sign up to the Hippocratic oath?
I've taken a prisoner out on an emergency escort with a "badly lacerated finger". After four hours in A & E, the nurse removed the dressing to reveal what most people would have put under the tap & then shoved a plaster on for a couple of days. I felt obliged to apologise for wasting their time & tax payers money.
I've seen knife wounds that needed stitching treated with a plaster. I've seen a prisoner having a fit (not spice related, but the worst I've ever seen) & all the two nurses could do was stand there crying, etc, etc, etc.
Due to the "nationality" of most of the nurses, it's hard enough to understand what they're saying face to face never mind on the radio.

Unsurprisingly, healthcare here is provided by a private company. Cheaper apparently.

Needless to say, SOP now for staff injuries or ailments is to ignore healthcare & deal with it ourselves. Should the situation warrant it, blue light ambulance.
Exactly-------I was knocked unconscious including facial damage by a sneaky,undeserved assault.The "nurse" H3 refused to attend.
I took one ArrseHole out with "His finger hanging off"----------Doc in A&E said it was a paper cut!!!

These incidents occurred in the last 18 months------- and are only some of them.

All above by Undervalued is spot on.

Ps --I'm not and have never been a "Knut"---- I get along well with, and I am respected by many of the older villains that I've came into contact with well over 20 odd years.
 
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