Calling prison officers.

You seem to be undecided at this time. Jack it in FFS - life`s too fookin short.
Double =-D=-D-----------I think you're right-----But being a dumb tight Jock Knut,I'll probably turn up next week!!
 
The Prison service is a failing service. Decades of under funding and directional changes. It’s only down to the goodwill of staff and experience that has so far kept it working ( sort of).
If you want to do some good, do something with a positive outcome, where there’s less chance of get your head kicked in by some nutter high on spice.
 
I'm now an OSG after many years as an Officer & too old to be rolling around on the floor trying to control someone a lot younger than me. Apart from the ex squaddie ailment of dodgy knees!
Despite being a POA member, I didn't strike because I knew from talking to a mate in the car park that an offender had killed himself during the night & they'd had a crap time of it.
It was more important to me to take over in the gate so that they could get home.
We're now sixty seven, that's sixty seven officers short in a jail with a CNA of just over a thousand.
I was talking to one of our SO's who deals with the new Officers, he said we are losing three Officers for every two that we gain.
At this point, I'd like to thank the bloody Border Force for "poaching" so many experienced Officers (closed grade) into a much higher paid, much easier job. Although I don't blame the Officers in the slightest.
I don't see any way that this situation can continue.
Neither do I see any practical way to resolve it.
We are getting new officers who clearly should not have survived their assessment day never mind survived training & I would bet good money on the ones who wil be off with "stress" within less than a week.
Do potential Prison Officers not do some research on what the job involves? It's hardly stacking shelves at tesco.
I would also bet good money that the over riding consideration at assessment & during training is to put bums on seats rather than consider the consequences of recruiting totally unsuitable Officers.
After all, that Government target for recruiting Officers won't hit itself.

Are prisons in crisis? Absolutely.
I’m thinking of going for an OSG position. I’m no longer an HMPS employee. Is there pay progression with the job? Although changed, the civil service pension still beats most pension schemes. Worth going for?
 
I’m thinking of going for an OSG position. I’m no longer an HMPS employee. Is there pay progression with the job? Although changed, the civil service pension still beats most pension schemes. Worth going for?
Ref; Your post dated 14/11/18.

Why bother, if you are out stay out.

I know of many former Principle Officer's and Senior Officer's take up OSG roles on retirement and hate the job. It's like being busted from Full Screw/SGT to Pte. Your at the bottom end of the pile and solids go down hill.

SSDD but on a lower pay scale and it may have an effect on your pension if you are post Fresh Start and on the 'NEW & IMPROVED!!!!' Pension scheme.

Do they still operate the Night Patrol Role on a similar pay scale to OSG's. 7 nights on 7 nights off, tag on your annual leave, bank holidays normally paid as TOIL and throw in a few sickies then you can bring your yearly attendence down to about 14 weeks or 98 working days!!! (267 days/nights off). Not bad for around £20K plus.
 

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Why bother, if you are out stay out.

I know of many former Principle Officer's and Senior Officer's take up OSG roles on retirement and hate the job. It's like being busted from Full Screw/SGT to Pte. Your at the bottom end of the pile and solids go down hill.
Yeah I think there might be something to this, but for some it's like joining the MPGS after doing your 22.

I've known a couple of ex-RSMs and one ex Superintendent working as OSGs and all of them claimed that they purposefully picked the role for its lack of responsibility and the ability to roll over the pensions and/or mark time until retirement with as little stress as possible. To a man they were very good at their jobs and well-liked and respected by all.
 
No did over a year in 2010, left due to being offered a jail I didn’t really want to go to, too much travelling. I don’t qualify for my pension, I just got it payed back as a lump sum.
Some OSGs went to officers and some left and resumed their role if the officer role wasn’t for them. On my POELT course we had 4 OSGs, out of 18 of us.
Some of the inner London OSGs are on about 22/23 k per year.
Cat A prisons have designated drivers who drive the escort vans on blues and twos, I think they are OSGs too.
 
Yeah I think there might be something to this, but for some it's like joining the MPGS after doing your 22.

I've known a couple of ex-RSMs and one ex Superintendent working as OSGs and all of them claimed that they purposefully picked the role for its lack of responsibility and the ability to roll over the pensions and/or mark time until retirement with as little stress as possible. To a man they were very good at their jobs and well-liked and respected by all.
I regraded to OSG after ten years as an Officer eighteen months ago due to age & a knee injury.
Easiest job I’ve ever had.
 
What area you in? Some jails are now offering a starting pay of £31k. Not many public sector jobs pay that as a starting salary.
Eastern region.
You won't get anywhere near 31k a year as a Band 2 OSG even with central London allowance! Your looking more at just over 20k outside London.
Or it could be a jail that's upped it's wage due to severe recruiting problems. It happens. But 31k seems ridiculous.
You sure that's not Band 3 Officer? Usual current Band 3 top whack is about 24k? Outside London area.
Anyone know the allowance for a Band 2?
 
That's exactly how I felt on night shifts at Heathrow stamping VATRES forms and covering the Red Channel tillpoint by phone...

Easiest money that I have ever earned! :thumright:
True. I've got a shift of sitting down, drinking tea and watching youtube videos errm, providing a valuable service to the traveling public tomorrow.
 
Varies wildly . You could be on less than £9 an hour working in a hellhole , i.e making car parts or you could be on £19 an hour somewhere clean but have to work shifts .

I think the days of getting paid a shed load are gone , a lot of stuff you need codings for which cost a few grand and last 2 years . Most work is contract . Around the world i think asian welders are used everywhere , they can do the job but only parrot fashion most of the time .

I know this is a year late... the welders on a site I'm at are on around £38 an hour. We pay their company £56, the difference is profit and overheads.

That's Surrey. Similar on sites I've had to do with, Teeside, Oxfordshire, Cardiff and Kent.
 
Keep those queues down - or is that no longer a management [err sorry leadership] worry. Much panic when I was there,
Tony Smith nailed it on the head with this point on Nick Ferrari's breakfast show on LBC recently. Funnily enough, he had already made exactly the same point to me in November. The current DG might as well be the invisible man.
 
Tony Smith nailed it on the head with this point on Nick Ferrari's breakfast show on LBC recently. Funnily enough, he had already made exactly the same point to me in November. The current DG might as well be the invisible man.
Tony S seemed like a fairly down to earth bloke when he spoke to us - unlike some of the others, Marc O being a prime example.
 
Eastern region.
You won't get anywhere near 31k a year as a Band 2 OSG even with central London allowance! Your looking more at just over 20k outside London.
Or it could be a jail that's upped it's wage due to severe recruiting problems. It happens. But 31k seems ridiculous.
You sure that's not Band 3 Officer? Usual current Band 3 top whack is about 24k? Outside London area.
Anyone know the allowance for a Band 2?
Yes sorry, that’s for a band 3 officer.
 
I'm happy to state that I'm in the process of regrading-------------------------------To RETIRED.;)
 

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