Calling all gong-spotters


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Another antique uniform being flogged by 'hogspear' on ebay. Can anyone identify the last medal? I read the rest of them as:

KG, OBE, DSO with bar, 1939-45 Star, France-Germany Star, Defence Medal, War Medal with MiD, GSM 1918-62, George VI Coronation?, an the myster one. Possibly a foreign independence type I guess. From the uniform we know that the owner was a full General with Aviator and Para wings.

Have you tried the British Medal Forum yet? Some of the lads on there take medal spottery to a whole new level.


The suspender loops look like they havent been used, for a row of 10 gongs you would expect them to extend right across the chest. Are they just out of shot?

is the legitimacy of this in question or just the final ribbon?


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The suspender loops look like they havent been used, for a row of 10 gongs you would expect them to extend right across the chest. Are they just out of shot?

is the legitimacy of this in question or just the final ribbon?

I think it would actually be 9 medals as the KG would be either round the neck or pinned to the left breast I think. In fact left pocket has 2 loops sewn vertically on the middle pleat, so it's probably the latter. Not questioning the authenticity, just curious as to what it might be.

Skint, I'm trying BMF, but having the devil of a time attaching an image to my post as all it seems to be capable of is linking from a url.
Is this item related to Hogspear's 1960's Para/ Aviator General's Mess Uniform? If so, it may be easier to work the other way if you can make out the name:


Another photo of the mess dress shows a kilt, providing another avenue of approach, if you take my meaning.


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Well, not only did you get the answer at 00:07hrs here: British Medals Forum • Login

but they also worked out whose jacket it was.

Not bad eh?

Not bad at all!

This would appear to be the entitlement of General Sir John Mogg, GCB, CBE, DSO*.

Commanded 10th Bn Parachute Regiment (TA) 1950-52, and the Commonwealth Brigade in Malaya 1958-60, during which time he received the Meritorious Service Medal of the State of Perak (the last ribbon).

This is the badger in the middle:

perak-PJK PPT PLP.jpg

Edited to add an Obit for Mogg from the Telegraph about 9 1/2 years ago (my bold):

General Sir John Mogg - Telegraph

GENERAL SIR JOHN MOGG, who has died aged 88, began his military career in the ranks of the Coldstream Guards and became one of the outstanding soldiers of his generation.

Field-Marshal Lord Carver generously said in his memoirs Out of Step (1989) that Mogg would have been the Army's choice for Chief of the General Staff when the appointment became vacant in 1971. In fact the choice fell on Carver, and Mogg had to be content with the post of Adjutant-General, followed by Deputy Supreme Allied Commander at SHAPE. Yet although he never achieved his baton, Mogg's Army career was one of unbroken success.

Herbert John Mogg was born in Canada on February 17 1913, the son of Captain H B Mogg, MC, who had gone to Canada to farm but returned to fight in the Great War. After he was wounded, the family went back to Canada, but returned again to England in the 1920s in time for John to go to Malvern.

There he distinguished himself more as a cricketer than as a scholar, and it was thought that he might have difficulty passing the Sandhurst entrance examination. In 1933, therefore, he enlisted in the Coldstream Guards. After two years in the ranks, reaching lance-corporal, he entered Sandhurst as a gentleman cadet; on passing out in 1937 he was awarded the Sword of Honour - his fellow cadets had long deemed this a foregone conclusion. He was commissioned into the Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry (43rd and 52nd) that August.

During the Second World War, Mogg became Commander of a Divisional Battle School before taking command of the 9th Battalion Durham Light Infantry for the North West Europe campaign. An outstanding and popular battalion commander, he was awarded the DSO twice in 1944. In 1945 he attended the Staff College as a student. Then, after two years as GSO1 of 7th Armoured Division, he returned to the Staff College as a member of the Directing Staff.

In 1950 Mogg assumed command of the 10th Parachute Battalion, then in 1952 became Chief Instructor at the School of Infantry at Warminster. From 1954 to 1956 he was GSO1 at the Imperial Defence College and then from 1958 to 1960 was Commander of the Commonwealth Brigade Group in Malaya, where he received the Meritorious Medal from the Sultan of Perak and the enthusiastic support of the Australian and New Zealand units in his brigade. On his appointment as Director of Combat Development at the War Office he was promoted to major-general.

From 1963 to 1966 Mogg was Commandant of the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst. This is a post which requires considerable judgment and diplomacy not merely in approving cadets as being suitable for commissioning but also in dealing with the changing requirements of Army policy. It also requires the administration of a large military and civilian staff, and liaison with schools, universities, regiments and foreign dignitaries. Mogg earned widespread admiration for the way he listened to many voices and invariably made the right decisions.
After Sandhurst he was Commander, 1st British Corps in Germany (1966-68), GOC in C Southern Command (1968), GOC in C Army Strategic Command (1968-70), and Adjutant-General at the Ministry of Defence (Army) (1970-73).
It was not an easy time to be Adjutant-General. The troubles in Northern Ireland were at their height, and Mogg had to contend with the media portraying night after night the scenes of violence, by no means always to the Army's advantage. He saw to it that all key personnel received instruction in how to handle television reporters prior to going to Northern Ireland, an arrangement that was to prove most valuable in the long run.
His final appointment was as Deputy Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, from 1973 to 1976. He established a particularly close and successful relationship with the American Supreme Allied Commander, General Alexander Haig, who relied greatly on Mogg's wide military experience. Later, during the Falklands War, Haig, then Secretary of State, made little attempt to conceal his pro-British sympathies.
Mogg's other appointments included being ADC General to the Queen (1971-74); Commandant of the Army Air Corps (1963-74), of the Royal Green Jackets (1965-73); and Honorary Colonel of the 10th Parachute Battalion, TA, (1973-78).
He also took a leading part in many ancillary activities. In 1969 he was chosen as Kermit Roosevelt lecturer to visit the United States and give lectures at the leading American military academies - a distinction reserved for outstanding generals from Britain and America.
Mogg was President of the Army Cricket Association and his all-round sporting interests were reflected in his presidency of the Army Saddle Club, Army Boxing Association, Army Parachute Association, and British Horse Society. He was also Chairman of the Army Free Fall Parachute Association and of Operation Drake for Young Explorers and the Operation Drake Fellowship, the latter two of which organise adventurous exploration, archaeological and scientific research expeditions to remote parts of the globe. He was also Vice-President of Operation Raleigh.
A humane and compassionate man, he was also President of the Ex-Service Mental Welfare Society, the Normandy Veterans' Association, and the Army Benevolent Fund. His interest in education was shown in his chairmanship of the governors of the Royal Soldiers' Daughters School and of Icknield School, as well as in his presence on the governing bodies of his old school, Malvern, and of Bradfield College. He also contrived to be a farmer, a helicopter pilot, and an extremely enthusiastic and able fly-fisherman .
John Mogg was a large man in every sense. Tall and heavily built, he always paid close attention to what someone was saying, ready with help and often a joke. His special gift was to appear to have the leisure to deal with any problem or request, although few people can have led such a busy life.
Since 1979 he had been Vice Lord Lieutenant of Oxfordshire. He was appointed CBE in 1960, CB in 1964, KCB in 1966 and GCB in 1972.
He married, in 1939, Cecilia Margaret Molesworth, who survives him with their three sons.
Very good. Now, presuming that Hogspear's General's Dress Uniform and General's Mess Uniform belong to the same general, can someone explain the presence of the kilt?

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