called up !

#1
ive just had a phone call telling me my name was one of seven that came out the hat for the whole regiment for op telic 4, ive got about a months notice which really gives me the hump as I was expecting them to ask for volunteers.
My civvy job pays about double my army salary and subsequently it reflects in my possesions/lifestyle ie 3 properties to pays for and all the landlord maintenance that goes with it.
If Im sent away for the proposed 7 months and any of my tenants have problems im snookered. Its not like I can nip round and fix whatever it is they are whining about.
Secondly my life insurance does not cover a 7.62 so if I cop it my wife and family will be forced to sell up.
will the army help me out with insurance?
My boss is also ranting because there is a lack of staff at work and me going just puts a bigger strain on the rest of the team.

This whole episode has really put a bitter taste in my mouth, I went out there last time as a regular, the war is now over (technically) and its seemingly obvious that the only reason ive been fingered is because the army is in such a state of overstretch due to cutbacks.

I understand its unfair to keep sending the regs on back to back tours but then this is due to decisions made to cut the army back by the top brass.
No-one likes paying for a massive army but its obvious what we have at the moment is simply not adequate.
The "solution" to call up the T.A. (a cost effective army that costs one sixth in wages) is just a piss take.
The government saves money and I get stung. Thats the bottom line.

For those of you who think im shirking, your mistaken. If there was a direct threat to the U.K I would be first down there to sign for my gat which is the whole point in the T.A. this is a different animal completely.
This is the cheapskate answer to the armys bigger problem.

The labour answer.

has anyone got any worthwhile advice regarding pay/proprerty/insurance/civvy job problems?

or should i just shoot the defence minister?
 
#2
My boss is also ranting because there is a lack of staff at work and me going just puts a bigger strain on the rest of the team.
you just said that, but applied it to military

I understand its unfair to keep sending the regs on back to back tours but then this is due to decisions made to cut the army back by the top brass.
No-one likes paying for a massive army but its obvious what we have at the moment is simply not adequate.
The "solution" to call up the T.A. (a cost effective army that costs one sixth in wages) is just a piss take.
The government saves money and I get stung. Thats the bottom line.
could it be If MOd stop trying to run the whole show like a business.



This whole episode has really put a bitter taste in my mouth, I went out there last time as a regular, the war is now over (technically) and its seemingly obvious that the only reason ive been fingered is because the army is in such a state of overstretch due to cutbacks.
don't you just love being popular? :lol:
 
#4
What Bailey said.

Or get your employer to put in an appeal for you, keep your call out gratuity and then be safely back at work the next day







Then hand your kit in on the next drill night
 
#5
copey said:
For those of you who think im shirking, your mistaken. If there was a direct threat to the U.K I would be first down there to sign for my gat which is the whole point in the T.A. this is a different animal completely.
Did u walk around with fingers in your ears during/after SDR?

But.....

www.sabre.mod.uk said:
The Reserve Forces Act 1996 (RFA 96) provides for three main powers under which mobilisation can take place:

1. If it appears that national danger is imminent or a great emergency has arisen or in the event of an actual or apprehended attack on the United Kingdom (Sections 52 (call-out) and 68 (recall)).

2. If it appears that warlike operations are in preparation or progress (Section 54), e.g. Bosnia, 1995-96.

3. If it appears necessary or desirable to use Armed Forces on operations outside the United Kingdom for the protection of life or property; or on operations anywhere in the world for the alleviation of distress or the preservation of life or property in time of disaster or apprehended disaster, (Section 56), e.g. The Balkans.
The first could apply for Telic 1, 2 doesn't apply, so I suppose your going under item 3? Therefore Iraq must be a disaster ???????
 
#6
copey said:
I was expecting them to ask for volunteers.


If Im sent away for the proposed 7 months and any of my tenants have problems im snookered. .

This whole episode has really put a bitter taste in my mouth, I went out there last time as a regular, the war is now over (technically) and its seemingly obvious that the only reason ive been fingered is because the army is in such a state of overstretch due to cutbacks.

The "solution" to call up the T.A. (a cost effective army that costs one sixth in wages) is just a piss take.
The government saves money and I get stung. Thats the bottom line.
Copey, were you led to belive by the boss that they'd ask for volunteers, or was this an assumption you made?

Re repairs, looks like you'll have to pay for plumbers/ electricians while you're away. The expense will be tax deductable (I trust you do declare this income :) ), so not quite as expensive as it may at first seem.

Everybody seems to think that the TA are cheap, but are we? Once we're mobilized, a lot of us qualify for the hardship allowance, and so earn more than our regular counterparts, even though we usually have less experience in the role. Surely, in a situation of frequent call ups, we represent poor value?
 
#7
should have got out while the going was good
I quit in 96 because I could'nt see the point anymore :lol:
If your going to wear the uniform and take the bounty you can't really whine if you get called up :lol:
as cpt darling said "bugger"
Or could always turn up at chilwell with underpants on your head two pencils up your nose and answer everything with "wibble" :twisted:
 
#8
Don't take the money and the annual bounty and then whine. There are too many people in the TA who simply fail to understand what it's all about. If you don't like it then leave, simple as that.

With three fcuking houses you are one of the lucky ones. It's the poor bastards out here dodging RPGs because they need the money to live a basic existance who I feel sorry for.
 
#9
ok, i had my rant, ive read thru my papers again, it would appear that iraq is a disaster which is why i have to go,

ref. wibble, not a bad idea but i think someone might offer me a commission if i do it too frequently!

Ref taking the pay/bounty < I dont do it for the money, same as most t.a. bods (which is a goood job considering how much we dont get)
the bounty payment is the least we deserve for giving up our own holidays from work/getting arsed around by people who dont have a clue for god knows how many of our own weekends

ref lucky fcuker,
theres no luck at all, i left at my nine year point without a pot to p1ss in, its all down to hard work and putting your money in the right place.

ref whining etc.
yep your all right, i signed the paper so theres no excuses!
"but i was drunk sir!"
ah what the hell, maybe if i kill someone ill feel better!
 

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#10
CombatBooBah said:
Or could always turn up at chilwell with underpants on your head two pencils up your nose and answer everything with "wibble" :twisted:
They tried that in the Sudan, had to shot an entire Platoon.
 
#11
Copey

when you get to chillwell they sort out all your life insurance etc etc

also as long as you bring all proof of earnings and expences you can claim RSA (reservist standard award) or RHA (reservist hardship award) which should bring your mil earnings up to match your civvi earnings up to the same level or quite close

also a 6 month tour well put a extra year on your pension

come on mate stop whinning , you done it before
 
#12
cheers for the help troops,
i seem to be getting my head round it now, glad there is some kind of insurance available, and if they are gonna make my wage up to be in line with the civvy job, its happy days all round!
wait til the colonel finds out a jnco gets paid more than him!
heheheheh
revenge is a dish best served cold!
 
#15
Copey,

Careful about what you expect moneywise. There are set limits/amounts that you can get paid. :?

When I was in Bosnia 2001, and it was called COLI (COmpensation for Loss of Income) the upper limit for a JNCO was about £25,000 per year. That is the amount that they will make your wages up to. There were other limits for Sgt-Capt and Maj and above. However, like I said, I'm not sure about the RHA which has now replaced COLI. Hopefully someone has had the sense to realise that just because you are a JNCO in the TA doesn't mean you can't be a company director who just enjoys his weekends with the lads.

Anyway, enjoy your time out there. Your tour will be what you make it!!
 
#17
When I was in Bosnia 2001, and it was called COLI (COmpensation for Loss of Income) the upper limit for a JNCO was about £25,000 per year. That is the amount that they will make your wages up to. There were other limits for Sgt-Capt and Maj and above. However, like I said, I'm not sure about the RHA which has now replaced COLI. Hopefully someone has had the sense to realise that just because you are a JNCO in the TA doesn't mean you can't be a company director who just enjoys his weekends with the lads.
That is plainly quite a pitiful system considering the widening gulf between civvy and military wages. If I had made the mistake of joining the TA after leaving in 2000 there is no whay they would be able to make up for my loss of earnings, and in the current finacial climate it would be all to easy for a reservist to lose their home or end up in severe finacial trouble due to the gap in earnings they would have to endure.
 
#18
It's my understanding that the RHA works to ensure that you do not suffer any hardship, it is not based on income, but on outgoings. So if you earn £100,000 a year, live on £20,000 a year and save £80,000, you would only get compensation up to £20,000, not the loss of income.

Either way, take as much financial paperwork as you can to Chilwell to help support your case.

msr
 
#19
Speedy said:
That is plainly quite a pitiful system considering the widening gulf between civvy and military wages. If I had made the mistake of joining the TA after leaving in 2000 there is no whay they would be able to make up for my loss of earnings, and in the current finacial climate it would be all to easy for a reservist to lose their home or end up in severe finacial trouble due to the gap in earnings they would have to endure.
The following party line might be useful:


-When serving on an operational tour, both Regular and Reserve Service personnel are entitled to the same allowances and are subject to the same charges for food and accommodation where applicable. Neither receives discounted rent or rent allowances if they live in rented non-Service accommodation.

-All Regular or Reserve Service personnel, whether married or single, serving overseas, on active Service, who own a private property, remain liable to pay council tax on the property to the local authority concerned. Council tax concessions are a matter for local authorities, rather than the MoD, and they are responsible for the interpretation of regulations concerning ‘sole or main residence’. In reaching their decision they consider case law arising from earlier council tax appeals which takes various factors into account including the amount of time spent at a property, whether it is the family home, and security of tenure. In this, members of the Armed Forces stationed in the UK or overseas are treated in the same way as any civilian who is required to live and work away from home.

- It is recognised that many Reservists may be earning a higher civilian salary and have mortgage and rent commitments commensurate with that salary. Therefore, the Reserve Forces Act 1996 (RFA 96), which governs the use of Reserve Forces, provides a number of safeguards for Reservists including financial assistance. Payments will be made to Reservists whose military salary when called up is less than their civilian earnings. The full difference will be paid, on proof of earnings, if that pay is below the level set for the appropriate band ceiling, which is based on military rank and specialism. This is known as a Standard Award. Payments above the band ceiling can be made if the Reservist can demonstrate that they, or their dependants, will suffer hardship without additional money. This is called a Hardship Award. Clearly, if someone could demonstrate that they would be unable to make their mortgage or rent payments when in receipt of the maximum amount of RSA, this would be defined as Hardship. The detailed regulations are contained in the Reserve Forces (Call-out and Recall)(Financial Assistance) Regulations, Statutory Instrument 1997/309.
 
#20
Well, all that about making your wages up is great. I'm an ex reg, also ex TA. I got a letter saying in effect 'Hey! We're REALLY short of troops, and wonder if you'd like to come along to a little party in the desert?'

I rang the number in Glasgow and said 'no'.

The nice lady on the phone told me, in a doing-you-a-favour voice, that my trade group was likely for a compulsory call out soon, which could be for a year, but volunteers could elect shorter service periods. So, I took the lesser of 2 evils route and signed up for 4 1/2 months. She had also said that 'you will not lose out financially by going back in'.

What a lie.

It seems a) there was and will be no call up of my trade
b) by 'volunteering' I removed any claim to a higher rate than my measly lance jack pittance (I too am an ex JNCO who can surprise the MoD by earning shedloads outside).

Surely to God these clowns, gimps and baboons who run the forces nowadays can see that by treating reservists like this they are not doing themselves any long-term manning favours? I for one will put a uniform on again only if by some hideous mischance I end up working for McDonalds.

Rant-tastic.
 

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