Cadet Forces Medal

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Fellow ACF forum Arrsers (all half dozen of you),
It has come to my attention that there is an apparent disparity between the CFM and the VRSM. The VRSM is awarded for 10 years service with the TA/RAFR/RNR whereas the CFM is awarded for 12 years service. Also the conditions of the VRSM seem to be much less rigid (you are allowed a break in service apparently). Given that someone in the ACF does far more work that someone in the TA, and for far less recognition and financial reward, is it fair that they can get their medal 'no questions asked' after two years less?
I encourage you all to petition your local MP to have this injustice remedied.
 
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I will remember that next time I see Cadet tabbing over brecon or out in the bigsand pit putting themselfs in harms way how much work they do compared to the TA and how deserving they are for a medal???
 
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Country_Bumpkin said:
Given that someone in the ACF does far more work that someone in the TA, and for far less recognition and financial reward, is it fair that they can get their medal 'no questions asked' after two years less?
I encourage you all to petition your local MP to have this injustice remedied.
I think you should revise that statement. ACF is JUST a bunch of cadets, nothing more nothing less. Members of the TA work hard and you are in no position to make such generalisations. The TA are paid for the work they do. Cadet forces get less pay and less recognition because they do not deserve the same recognition or pay as members of the TA. I have nothing against cadets but statements like that piss me off.
 
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Ah shit - we've been infiltrated by loads of non-ACF people.

Okay "ACF do far much more work than the TA" was a rash statement which I RETRACT unreservedly - it is probably fairer to say "ACF put in far more hours for much less recognition and reward". Very few TA people I know would even cross the threshold of the TA Centre gates without being paid 1/4 day. As much as you guys may dislike it I know many people join the TA for the loot and only the loot. Cue replies about "kiddy fiddling" and "Waltism".
 
#8
No problems we have all said stupid things on here from time to time .The ACF does a valuable job but medals need to be earned
and people at ahigher pay grade than me have laid conditions downs for them .
 
#10
Yea i know many people who also wouldnt cross the gates if they wouldnt get paid but then again i know a lot who would and do give up there time for the ta,some giving up time with their main jobs which may pay better. But like its been said the ta go do the job bearing in mind that at somew point they may well be asked to give their life-so perhaps that earns them a little more laxness in the rule. I agree that the acf do a lot of valuable work, and the medals are there to recognise that. But as your meant to be in it for the enjoyment and satisfaction of seeing the kids reap the benefits should be reward enough then why argue over two years?
 
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That must make regulars the lowest of the low (what’s new there then), they have to wait 15 years for their long service medal. !!!
 
#14
As TA, I had the "privilege" of having to teach some cadets the other night...on their turf. They ate me for breakfast!!!! I now have full respect for the ACF instructors - I don't ever want to do that again unless I can be fully armed!!
Anyway, back on thread, I can understand your frustration, but it probably goes back to when there was the TEM, which was for 12 years service (correct me if I am wrong). When it changed to the VRSM, some clod in the MoD probably didn't think of changing the CFM conditions.
 
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whitenoisebabies said:
Are ACF instructors mobilised for ops??? Do they have have to pass ITD's? NO!!! So stop whinging wait the extra two years to get a choccy medal!
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I would be VERY surprised if teh Govt decides to change the terms and conditions of Adult Instructors employment :lol:

I must admit 12 years is a long drag, the TEM is also 12 years as MBG commented some clod has probably forgotten to amend it on par with the VRSM which is a similar award for long service.
yes cadets can be hard work however as with the TA who also work just as hard in different way, the two cannot be compared directly as their nature of work is different
 
#16
IMHO we should bib the ACF medal.

20yrs you are still service then ACFA should put you up for OBE/MBE for charitable work

I await the wrath of my peers
 
#17
I joined a few years ago, ex-reg and ex-TA.

I was of the opinion that a medal for the ACF after 12 years was some kind of joke.

I will here and now publicly apologise for that view. Someone who completes 12 years as a cadet instructor deserves an OBE and a parade through the town for what they have seen and dealt with from the damaged children of the dregs of society.
 
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I too would be very surprised if government decided to change terms of service for ACF AIs or Officers. I shan't go into the Officer debate, although the more educated readers will already know that technically ACF Officers are TA Officers on this marvellous thing called the General List (where all the 'proper' TA Officers in extra-Regimental employment go too). If anyone wants to be further educated on this they can read Annex L to Chap 4, TA Regs 1978.

Hot potato this topic. I'm quite happy to wait - it's another 6 years for me anyway. I didn't realise the Regular LSGC was a 15 year wait - that seems very OTT considering these boys and girls are further stretched that ever.

EDITED TO ADD: Just caught your post Furryturd. You are absolutely right - 12 years in the ACF with all the back biting, pettiness and contempt from some members of the TA/Regs could easily seem like a life sentence. I think the problem is that very few of the TA (certainly in my area) are totally familiar with the work the ACF does, the time it takes to do it, and how little logistical/financial support you get to do it. Also a big problem is bad news always travels faster on the bush-telegraph: if some ACF oich steals a TA soldiers packet of fags everyone in the battalion knows about it - if on the other hand some ACF person saves a little old lady from a burning house and gives her first aid learnt from the ACF (Cdt Vicky Murray who got the QCBC) nobody seems interested.
 
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Part of TA - actually on the TA General List Section B. Like VR(T) (and all other commissioned officers) subject to military law 24/7. Been around for a lot longer than VR(T) - we're the second senior service you know (after the AA).
 
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