Cadet cuts threaten Afghan mission

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Cadet cuts 'threaten Afghan mission'
9:30am Friday 1st January 2010

By Timothy John »

BRITAIN’S ability to fight in Afghanistan could be damaged through cuts to its Army Cadet Force, says a Bournemouth MP.

Bournemouth East MP Tobias Ellwood says that the cuts could lead to a shortage of army recruits in five or ten years time.

The Army Cadet Force, which celebrates its 150 anniversary in 2010, had £4 million slashed from its £40m annual budget in October halfway through the financial year.

Mr Ellwood, a former army officer and member of the Territorial Army, said the Army Cadet Force was “a critical part in introducing people to the armed forces”.
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The Cadets don't have a remit to recruit for the ARmed Forces.... ergo, they wont affect recruiting.

However, I would say that the cutting back of the ACF and otehr uniformed Youth organisations in UK WILL have an affect on our country.

My home town has NO Youh Club. THe building was turned in to a dance and computer classroom on the school, and the mob known as 'connexions' has taken over.

They have a sh1tty little internet cafe, and their volunteers wander about town 'inviting' kids they find in the street to 'come with them' (fcuking dodgy if you ask me).

5 scout packs have turned in to about 1 1/2, the BB Coy is about 10 blokes (previously it provided a band of at least 30 odd). The ACF seem to be quite strong, still in comparison. But decimated in contrast to just a few years ago.
 
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I'll happily take a bet on that Fallsch. I do a fair amount of travelling, what has struck me of late is the commitment even within Europe to stick to the Afghan mission. This thing has built up a fair degree of momentum. My chat with a foreign office geezer the other day, who was absolutely certain that we were winning convinces me that the West really is in this for the long run.

I hope I am wrong, but I'll take your money. And I still don't believe the European electorate believes the sacrifice is worth it, but Europe has its own political elite and they don't give a s**t about democracy, unless it is on their terms.
 
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nigegilb said:
I'll happily take a bet on that Fallsch. I do a fair amount of travelling, what has struck me of late is the commitment even within Europe to stick to the Afghan mission.
Hasn't Obama already stated his intention to start pulling troops out in 2011? When the yanks go, everybody will follow.
 
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Fallschirmjager said:
nigegilb said:
I'll happily take a bet on that Fallsch. I do a fair amount of travelling, what has struck me of late is the commitment even within Europe to stick to the Afghan mission.
Hasn't Obama already stated his intention to start pulling troops out in 2011? When the yanks go, everybody will follow.
Ah but will that be the last 30,000 that arrived only. I can see a shedload still being there in 10 years time.
 
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Fallschirmjager said:
nigegilb said:
I'll happily take a bet on that Fallsch. I do a fair amount of travelling, what has struck me of late is the commitment even within Europe to stick to the Afghan mission.
Hasn't Obama already stated his intention to start pulling troops out in 2011? When the yanks go, everybody will follow.
Fallsch erstwhile I agree, I thought the implication was that he would start to reduce his troops at that point but that would include his surge re-enforcement as well, giving no final date for the completion of US military action
 
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Whatever. Afghanistan is costing the UK too much money. The Government will pull out as soon as the ANSF are 'a little bit' ready to take over the task. Well before ten years time.
 
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vvaannmmaann said:
And the TA's budget is £20m?
No, the £20m which was left was taken from the budget.

msr
 
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Fallschirmjager said:
We won't be in Afghan in 5-10 years time so it's irrelevant.
We may not be in AFG in 5 years, but you can bet a pound to a pinch of shite, that the mil will be somewhere else doing much the same thing.

Just another example of short sighted policy makers.
 
#13
Sundog said:
Fallschirmjager said:
We won't be in Afghan in 5-10 years time so it's irrelevant.
We may not be in AFG in 5 years, but you can bet a pound to a pinch of shite, that the mil will be somewhere else doing much the same thing.

Just another example of short sighted policy makers.
Where? We are too financially fcuked and our political establishment too castrated to go anywhere else for a generation
 
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chocolate_frog said:
The Cadets don't have a remit to recruit for the ARmed Forces.... ergo, they wont affect recruiting.
Rubbish, the ACF may not have a remit to recruit but the reality is that the ACF does help recruit.
 
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What a load of balls :x

Good to see a Tory MP whose experience of the military, stems from the being swift & bold.

Sad to read his brother died in Bali However wtf does he think he was doing getting trounced by a bunch of kids.

As a MP does he not have the local fedaralies on speedial. Actually fairplay he tried to stop a street footie match.

It looks like Dorset ACF needs some $ mojo After all without
Annette Geyser, public relations officer for the Dorset Army Cadet Force, said only the dedication of volunteers had prevented the effect of funding cuts being passed to the county’s cadets.

“At the moment the cuts haven’t affected us but that’s simply because of the people who are involved. They are still training, even though they aren’t receiving a reward.

“But if there are funding cuts next year, I don’t know if they will carry on,” said Mrs Geyser.


Am not having a bash at AI's, just how many sojers are from a ACF/CCF background. After all the ACF sole purpose is to

We develop young people physically and mentally, improving self-confidence, teamwork, friendship and leadership. We welcome cadets of all abilities and backgrounds that are able to access the majority of our activities. We also aim to develop a sense of community in our cadets.
We provide a wide diversity of fun, exciting and adventurous opportunities.
We are a gateway to recognised vocational qualifications from the Duke of Edinburgh Award Scheme to BTEC First Diplomas which can help in working and school life.
 
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I would venture to suggest that regardless of our commitment to Afghanistan the cuts and their impact show the government for what they truly are. There is a total juxtaposition between what they say and what they actually do.

Not 2 years ago Gordon Brown was lecturing anyone who would listen on the merits of school Combined Cadet Forces and how he wanted one in every state school. What fantastic work they did and how he felt they offered true value beyond the classroom. The reality is that this £5m cut is a tiny, tiny drop in the ocean of the defence budget. In fact I would think that in the total of current government spending its a laughable, and frankly pitiful saving. I also dont believe that Sea Cadets, RM Cadets and RAF Cadets are affected, which makes this even more of a fiasco.

I am getting increasingly bored of hearing ill-informed ministers selling the Cadet Forces as 'a youth movement thats not part of the Armed Forces' when it suits them, and yet at budget time put ACFs and CCFs in the same boat as the rest of the MOD. Let us be clear - the Cadet Movement exists to provide high calibre citizens of the future for our country. It is not focussed on recruiting although that is a useful by-product for the Army.
 
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