CAA bans Boeing 737 max 8

Seattle's take on EASA position

If the US FAA approves it while the EASA doesn't, it would take a very brave airline in the US to start using it.
 

rampant

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Very dangerous path for EASA to go down.....
I trust it’s closets are 100% Skeleton free.
The ChAA are also looking like they might not defer to the FAA's judgement, so that's two of the most significant AAs, Boeing are looking at a long road to get the this aircraft back in service

Not helped by this either

 
The ChAA are also looking like they might not defer to the FAA's judgement, so that's two of the most significant AAs, Boeing are looking at a long road to get the this aircraft back in service

Not helped by this either

Transport Canada have said they are going to do their own evaluation as well.
Garneau said that Transport Canada would do its own certification of an upcoming software from Boeing “even if it’s certified by the FAA.”
That was in March, I don't know if anything has changed since.
 
The ChAA are also looking like they might not defer to the FAA's judgement, so that's two of the most significant AAs, Boeing are looking at a long road to get the this aircraft back in service

Not helped by this either


The global regulatory framework relies on mutuality.
If EASA start saying they won’t recognise FAA paperwork, the FAA will retaliate, and the entire aviation industry framework risks collapsing.
 
The global regulatory framework relies on mutuality.
Which relies on trust

The FAA have failed - theres a loss of faith - now the US can throw teddy out the pram and refuse to certify Airbus as a formality - but its only going to hurt them more when everyone else retaliates.

Be rather embarrassing as well to have it repeatedly pointed out that all this started because the US certifying body is being held to the same standards (but failed to attain) as it holds 3rd worldistan to and jumps on.

Theres also the moral high ground card - sure it risks mutual agreements collapsing - and so certification costs go up - but im sure consumers would rather pay an extra Euro and know the aircraft isn't going to land somewhat earlier than intended with all the style and finesse of a Scud
 
Which relies on trust

The FAA have failed - theres a loss of faith - now the US can throw teddy out the pram and refuse to certify Airbus as a formality - but its only going to hurt them more when everyone else retaliates.

Be rather embarrassing as well to have it repeatedly pointed out that all this started because the US certifying body is being held to the same standards (but failed to attain) as it holds 3rd worldistan to and jumps on.

Theres also the moral high ground card - sure it risks mutual agreements collapsing - and so certification costs go up - but im sure consumers would rather pay an extra Euro and know the aircraft isn't going to land somewhat earlier than intended with all the style and finesse of a Scud
The FAA's new slogan should be " Please have FAAith!"
 
Which relies on trust

The FAA have failed - theres a loss of faith - now the US can throw teddy out the pram and refuse to certify Airbus as a formality - but its only going to hurt them more when everyone else retaliates.

Be rather embarrassing as well to have it repeatedly pointed out that all this started because the US certifying body is being held to the same standards (but failed to attain) as it holds 3rd worldistan to and jumps on.

Theres also the moral high ground card - sure it risks mutual agreements collapsing - and so certification costs go up - but im sure consumers would rather pay an extra Euro and know the aircraft isn't going to land somewhat earlier than intended with all the style and finesse of a Scud
And of course the problem was that the FAA didn't really certify the Boeing 737 Max to be safe. They just rubber stamped Boeing's papers claiming that it was. The US FAA were more concerned about getting Boeing's product on time than they were of doing their own job. See previous posts about where this latter point was discussed in the press.

If EASA, Transport Canada, and others just accept the US FAA's rubber stamp again, and say to their public "well we can't really say whether it's safe or not, use at your own risk", then Boeing's safety reputation will be about at the same level as a 1970s era Ilyushin.
 
And of course the problem was that the FAA didn't really certify the Boeing 737 Max to be safe. They just rubber stamped Boeing's papers claiming that it was. The US FAA were more concerned about getting Boeing's product on time than they were of doing their own job. See previous posts about where this latter point was discussed in the press.
The FAA basically asked Boeing "Is it safe - have you done your work? And said OK - good to go."
 
If the US FAA approves it while the EASA doesn't, it would take a very brave passenger in the US to start flying in it.
FoC
 

rampant

LE
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More problems for Boeing, this tome with the KC-46

Meanwhile the original winner of the competition continues to put miles and years under its wings in multinational service.

There must be a few USAF bodies wanting to kick the politicians who insisted the competition was re run with revised requirements** resulting in them moving from an operational aircraft that needed US mods - to an aircraft that existed on paper

** The aircraft shall - insert relevant Boeing supplied specification for B767 /KC30 as applicable - Delete 767 and Boeing from text -
Remove any requirements / references to / bonus marks for 'Proven in service design"

This is now the basis for the revised and completely open competition - Winner is the Boeing 767 aircraft that most closely match the above.
 

Joker62

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Ryanair cutting flights from Aldergrove, citing the problems with Boeing as the issue.


They are cutting flights from all over the UK and Ireland, I don't think it's purely down to the Boeings, they've also cut out hubs in the Canaries and parts of Spain too.
 
They are cutting flights from all over the UK and Ireland, I don't think it's purely down to the Boeings, they've also cut out hubs in the Canaries and parts of Spain too.
Tell me about it. The feckers have just cancelled my return flight from Lanzarote.
 

Joker62

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Tell me about it. The feckers have just cancelled my return flight from Lanzarote.
One flight a day from the UK to Lanza, arrives early morning and then leaves late night, luckily we use Easyjet when going to Lanzarote, still it's got the Paddys whinging like 3yos,
 

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