Bye bye Euro?

#3
That's the political will of the politicians who want it to succeed not the people of those countries who, in the main, probably just want their old currency back. If I was a German, approaching pensionable age, I would be pretty p1ssed off having my pension slashed to bail out the tax evading overspending Greeks. Thankfully, I am not and even more thankfully, we did not go into the Euro zone. Phew! (Although I conceed, if it fails, it will cause Uk a few problems too)
 
#4
Heard a very interesting radion interview today (can't remember the chaps name) who believes that Germany will drop the Euro in the next 12 to 18 months. His reasons were that the ever efficient Germans don't like the fact that other Euro members are running up massive debt whilst they (the Germans) are in the Black having their currency devalued by other Euro member states.
 
#5
JimmyNeutron said:
the ever efficient Germans don't like the fact that other Euro members are running up massive debt whilst they (the Germans) are in the Black having their currency devalued by other Euro member states.
but as a net exporter they do like having the Euro devalued... it helps them sell their stuff.
 
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JimmyNeutron said:
Heard a very interesting radion interview today (can't remember the chaps name) who believes that Germany will drop the Euro in the next 12 to 18 months. His reasons were that the ever efficient Germans don't like the fact that other Euro members are running up massive debt whilst they (the Germans) are in the Black having their currency devalued by other Euro member states.
I remember this being the very argument put forward by our govt at the time chaired by Thatcher the great.
2 years ago when the economic downturn started, this was predicted again.
To hell with the Euro nations, they want it when things are good, they just cannot hope to run away when things go bad. They have brought this upon themselves.
 
#8
Tytus_Barnowl said:
JimmyNeutron said:
Heard a very interesting radion interview today (can't remember the chaps name) who believes that Germany will drop the Euro in the next 12 to 18 months. His reasons were that the ever efficient Germans don't like the fact that other Euro members are running up massive debt whilst they (the Germans) are in the Black having their currency devalued by other Euro member states.
I remember this being the very argument put forward by our govt at the time chaired by Thatcher the great.
2 years ago when the economic downturn started, this was predicted again.
To hell with the Euro nations, they want it when things are good, they just cannot hope to run away when things go bad. They have brought this upon themselves.
Being a bit of a Eurosceptic myself I couldn't agree more.
 
#9
Having burned boats with the euro, I think it unlikely that it will be given up without a fight. Typical of the eurocrats hurrying us towards a federal state it was set up on fudged figures and economies that were based on shaky foundations.
Now the shaky foundations are causing countries like Greece and Spain major problems and the dictamen of what to do is coming from an extra-govermental source giving the governments no room for manouvre. People are not so much unhappy with the euro but more by their politicians performances and certainly over here feel betrayed by incompetence in all parties.
Returning to various currencies would return us to the inflation that hit when they first changed, nobody rounds down prices, remember decimalisation? Also it would be to admit that the European project is as yet unrealisable due to massive differences, something the eurocrats can't do.
Yet I think it depends on the Boxheads, as much as German politicians profess love of europe and all things unified they may decide that votes in Bavaria are more important. If they go the euro is dead and for the foreseeable future, cutting away one of the pillars of unification, also for the foreseeable future.
I think it is more realistic to expect a fight to the death to keep it, but that new members to the club will be vetted very closely, which is what they should have done right from the off.
 

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#11
JimmyNeutron said:
Heard a very interesting radion interview today (can't remember the chaps name) who believes that Germany will drop the Euro in the next 12 to 18 months. His reasons were that the ever efficient Germans don't like the fact that other Euro members are running up massive debt whilst they (the Germans) are in the Black having their currency devalued by other Euro member states.
Given that it would take a minimum of 2, and more likely 3 years to develop, print and distribute any new major currency issue - he is clearly completely ignorant of any facts....including the fact that a Euro returning to its original intended baseline value is very good news for German exports. I expect the Euro to go down another 10-20% in the next year overall, it is what the ECB governing council want after all, with the caveat that it will happen without inflation - which is more tricky to manage.

Why do people put up with this nonsense? Now we get journo's quoting journo's, "it is being reported that" etc. Complete fact free zone.
FFS just read Bloomberg news for a few weeks if you want to get a more objective view. (Then you will be just as confused as the professionals - but at least better informed :) )
The Euro will be in the kak all year - probably into Q1 or Q2 next year, new rules may even squeeze out defaulting countries in the longer term - but not before there is a viable plan B, and nobody is even thinking about one as yet. The Sfr is also going to struggle as is Sterling this year - $ should go up overall, but I am not too specialist on the finer points of the US market influences.
 
#12
TopBadger said:
JimmyNeutron said:
the ever efficient Germans don't like the fact that other Euro members are running up massive debt whilst they (the Germans) are in the Black having their currency devalued by other Euro member states.
but as a net exporter they do like having the Euro devalued... it helps them sell their stuff.
I don't believe that for one moment. German quality sells itself and the teutonic mind probably isn't bothered.

How would you feel if we were in the Euro?
 
#13
The Eurocrats will be quick to explain that the Euro's minor and temporary problems can only be fixed by tighter fiscal control from the centre and greater political cooperation and unity of purpose.

Translation - Stand-by for more Euro Super-state control from the Berlin/Paris accord.

Just as well we've still got stacks of nice shiny gold not piles of Euro notes eh?
 

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#14
dingerr said:
TopBadger said:
JimmyNeutron said:
the ever efficient Germans don't like the fact that other Euro members are running up massive debt whilst they (the Germans) are in the Black having their currency devalued by other Euro member states.
but as a net exporter they do like having the Euro devalued... it helps them sell their stuff.
I don't believe that for one moment. German quality sells itself and the teutonic mind probably isn't bothered.

How would you feel if we were in the Euro?
Nonsense, look at the figures. Why do you think senior EU leaders are deliberately talking the Euro back down right now? This is an opportunity to do so with a low inflation risk due to consumer concern. German exports are well down on recent years, and have had massive boost in the last few months. Airbus and others have been buying 5* dinners for their political friends for some time and are now hoping for a payback 8)
 

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#15
Herrumph said:
The Eurocrats will be quick to explain that the Euro's minor and temporary problems can only be fixed by tighter fiscal control from the centre.
Not just the Eurocrats. Everyone else is looking for a viable alternative and failing....feel free to address any suggestions to the Eurozone leaders...
 
#16
If the euro fails, what do I do will all my leftover holiday money? Serious question I'm afraid. As I get paid in dollars at the moment should I buy Euros?
 

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#17
asr1 said:
If the euro fails, what do I do will all my leftover holiday money? Serious question I'm afraid. As I get paid in dollars at the moment should I buy Euros?
If you have spare dollars buy US equities or solid US corporate bonds - IMO....

With 550 billion Euros in circulation I guess there will always be a way to exchange your left over EUR 55.40... :D
 
#18
Herrumph said:
The Eurocrats will be quick to explain that the Euro's minor and temporary problems can only be fixed by tighter fiscal control from the centre and greater political cooperation and unity of purpose.

Translation - Stand-by for more Euro Super-state control from the Berlin/Paris accord.

Just as well we've still got stacks of nice shiny gold not piles of Euro notes eh?
I though Gordon sold most of it, when he was chancellor of the exchequer, when it was at a record low.
 
#19
Always thought the EU were not strict enough on conditions for joining the Euro, same applies to joining the EU itself. Scrambling to get more countries in does not 'broaden the base', as much as increase the load on the existing structure :omg:

Those who remember when we 're-valued' the pound - which is what decimalisation turned out to be - from 240 pence to 100 pence, prices and inflation rose. Everything was 'rounded-up' and the 1p price increase was really worth almost 2 1/2 pence old money. Same thing happened in France when they revalued the Franc from 100 to the pound to 10. Pre-Euro Italy had a loony 3000 Lire to the pound which changed to about 1.58 Euro. The ethos of going from talking in thousands to a few Euros just saw wild price escallations which suddenly made Italy expensive in most areas where previously it wasn't.

I'm sure the future of the Euro lays with what Germany decides ;)

No.9
 
#20
Mitchthebar said:
Herrumph said:
The Eurocrats will be quick to explain that the Euro's minor and temporary problems can only be fixed by tighter fiscal control from the centre and greater political cooperation and unity of purpose.

Translation - Stand-by for more Euro Super-state control from the Berlin/Paris accord.

Just as well we've still got stacks of nice shiny gold not piles of Euro notes eh?
I though Gordon sold most of it, when he was chancellor of the exchequer, when it was at a record low.
Whooooooooosh!
 

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