http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4112317.stm You really haven't a Scooby have you George? So which is correct? http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep2004/n09292004_2004092910.html Is there anyone in the command structure who isn't blowing warm air up their own butts? They don't want us there anymore , and I believe a goodly portion of the new security forces , are either aiding insurgency passively , ie, not doing a damn thing , through fear or sympathy , or are actively aiding insugency through fighting, intelligence etc. Is it really too late to try and recruit the old Iraqi Army and Republican Guard? Suppose it was a simple as "We're fighting, because Bremner stiffed us on our paycheque and rubbished our honour" Suppose it was a simple as "You make us feel like 3rd class citizens, incapable of controlling our own destiny in our own country" Sooner or later, the Politicos are going to run out of lies. When that happens, we're going to start to turn this around.