Bush overrides Libbys prison sentence

lill

Old-Salt
#1
US President George W Bush has intervened to prevent Lewis Libby, a convicted former vice-presidential aide, from serving a prison term.

is anybody actually surprised by this? :(

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#2
that would be a no ..... good to see justice at work someone be sure to shout and point it out when it happens
 
#3
This is going to come back and bite him on the Ass. Even right-wing posters on some GOP forums I've looked at are disturbed by this.
 
#6
Libby outed a serving operative. Even the most foam-specked right wingers think that's wrong, and sends a bad message to those on the front line.
 
#7
Clinton pardoned 16 members of FALN - a terrorist group, Marc Rich,Susan McDougal,Dan Rostenkowski,Melvin J. Reynolds and Roger Clinton to name a few. He pardoned 140 people on his last day in office. Its the perogative of a President to pardon people convicted of crimes.

Clinton himself was convicted of lying to a jury but got no jail time, so why should Libby ?
 
#8
Because this is far more serious than getting a perk off an intern.
 
#9
tomahawk6 said:
Clinton pardoned 16 members of FALN - a terrorist group, Marc Rich,Susan McDougal,Dan Rostenkowski,Melvin J. Reynolds and Roger Clinton to name a few. He pardoned 140 people on his last day in office. Its the perogative of a President to pardon people convicted of crimes.

Clinton himself was convicted of lying to a jury but got no jail time, so why should Libby ?
Clinton lied about coming in a slut's mouth. No fatalities resulted (as far as I am aware). Even his marriage appears to have survived.

Bush lied about the need to go to war. As at today, 3577 US soldiers have died as a result of that lie, 156 British, and uncounted numbers of iraqi men, women and children.

I know who I'd like to see in the slammer with Big Tattooed Bubba gettin dug up his ringpiece - and it ain't Slick Willy from Li'l Rock. 8)

Get your right-thinking-Christian priorities sorted out, you silly little man.
 
#10
tomahawk6 said:
Clinton pardoned 16 members of FALN - a terrorist group, Marc Rich,Susan McDougal,Dan Rostenkowski,Melvin J. Reynolds and Roger Clinton to name a few. He pardoned 140 people on his last day in office. Its the perogative of a President to pardon people convicted of crimes.

Clinton himself was convicted of lying to a jury but got no jail time, so why should Libby ?
No he wasn't, Lofty. I suggest you bimble down to Barnes and Noble and get yourself a copy of The Constitution. It's only $3-4. You might want to look in the kiddies' section, they might have a version you can colour in.

The sentences of the FALN bombers were COMMUTED, not pardoned. All had served 19 years or more and none of their attacks resulted in the injury of another person and clemency was supported by, among others, 10 Nobel Peace Prize Laureates and the Archbishop of New York (where the bombings occurred).

As for the commutation of Libby's sentence- it makes bugger-all difference to Bush. It's not as if things can get much worse for him politically. Might as well get Scooter out of the sh1t, especially since he knows where all the bodies are buried. Let's face it, he's got a bloody great fine to pay, not to mention legal bills and book deal could do a lot to help those problems go away. It also does a little bit to reassure the rapidly shrinking coterie of true-believers that the boss will keep faith with you... by throwing you a life jacket after he's thrown you to the sharks to save his own arse.
 
#11
"But with the denial of bail being upheld and incarceration imminent, I believe it is now important to react to that decision," he said.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/themes/ARRSE_normal/images/bbcode/b.gif
Bold:
"I respect the jury's verdict," President Bush said. "But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr Libby is excessive," Mr Bush said.
I have just punched the air with joy. YES!
King George over rules and publicly rebukes the sentence handed down by an independent judiciary.

By doing this he hopefully has just screwed himself up his own arrse.
In a few weeks time the Supremes have to examine the case of him claiming 'executive privilege' over not complying with the first of what's going to become over time an avalanche of subpoenas.
By hauling Libby's ass out of the fire he may very well have plonked his own ass right in middle of the hottest flames.
Judges do NOT like their sentences being criticized by arrogant over arching members of the executive.

I'm sure they will welcome any opportunity to dock this fcuking puppy's tail good and proper. :D
 
#12
PartTimePongo said:
Libby outed a serving operative. Even the most foam-specked right wingers think that's wrong, and sends a bad message to those on the front line.
Yes PTP. And lets consider this. If an ordinary American citizen had with malicious intent outed a covert CIA agent they would be looking at a sentence of about 30+ years fer christ sakes!
What Libby (and Cheney & Rove) did was treasonable. Now the president of the United States has criticized the judges for doling out a light sentence for perjury in a case that amounts to treason.

Whether anyone wanted to or not is becoming irrelevant. These guys are beginning to trip over themselves so obviously in public revealing their own criminality that it is now only a question of time before they will all just have to be nicked.
If for no other greater reason than to save the American Nation from further public embarrassment in eyes of rest of the world.
 
#13
crabtastic said:
As for the commutation of Libby's sentence- it makes bugger-all difference to Bush. It's not as if things can get much worse for him
. . . except in the sense that one day he may wake up from his curious trance-like state, and realise just how thoroughly he has screwed up the USA's economy, the USA's standing in the world, the USA's Armed Forces, and his own reputation.
 
#14
goodkurtz said:
"But with the denial of bail being upheld and incarceration imminent, I believe it is now important to react to that decision," he said.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/themes/ARRSE_normal/images/bbcode/b.gif
Bold:
"I respect the jury's verdict," President Bush said. "But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr Libby is excessive," Mr Bush said.
I have just punched the air with joy. YES!
King George over rules and publicly rebukes the sentence handed down by an independent judiciary.

By doing this he hopefully has just screwed himself up his own arrse.
In a few weeks time the Supremes have to examine the case of him claiming 'executive privilege' over not complying with the first of what's going to become over time an avalanche of subpoenas.
By hauling Libby's ass out of the fire he may very well have plonked his own ass right in middle of the hottest flames.
Judges do NOT like their sentences being criticized by arrogant over arching members of the executive.

I'm sure they will welcome any opportunity to dock this fcuking puppy's tail good and proper. :D
Don't forget we still have a beer riding on this one G-K - and I hope I lose :D :D
 
#16
Some comments by Reasonable representatives who represent reasonable people who wish to live in a civilized and reasonable society.
(By the way Rickshaw, the pints WILL be all on you. That's for sure. No doubt unlike your good self I'm old enough to remember Watergate. God, what fun me and my mates had then. Glued to radios, reading half a dozen newspapers a day, on the blower to each other all day with the latest smidgins of news. All the conservative suits still clinging to the belief he hadn't done anything wrong and even had he done so he wouldn't get nicked. But we KNEW he would. And its for reason. Lots, if not most people would rather pull a veil over the transgressions of their leaders. They have a need to believe in them. But now and again those leaders overreach themselves then give themselves away. This forces the reluctant authorities to take action. These times are upon us now. And I am so gratefull that the chimp won the last election. Because it makes the show so complete. The audience is now fully complicit in the bad play that is being performed on the political stage. Hopefully in aftermath a root and branch reformation of Democracy and what it actually means may take place in America. And the nation will be a darn sight better for it. Well, one can dream can't one?)

Sen. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, presidential candidate
“Last week Vice President Cheney asserted that he was beyond the reach of the law. Today, President Bush demonstrated the lengths he would go to, ensuring that even aides to Dick Cheney are beyond the judgment of the law. It is time for the American people to be heard — I call for all Americans to flood the White House with phone calls tomorrow expressing their outrage over this blatant disregard for the rule of law.”

Former Sen. John Edwards, presidential candidate
“Only a president clinically incapable of understanding that mistakes have consequences could take the action he did today. President Bush has just sent exactly the wrong signal to the country and the world. In George Bush’s America, it is apparently okay to misuse intelligence for political gain, mislead prosecutors and lie to the FBI. George Bush and his cronies think they are above the law and the rest of us live with the consequences. The cause of equal justice in America took a serious blow today.”

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, presidential candidate
“It’s a sad day when the President commutes the sentence of a public official who deliberately and blatantly betrayed the public trust and obstructed an important federal investigation,” said Governor Richardson. “This administration clearly believes its officials are above the law, from ignoring FISA laws when eavesdropping on US citizens, to the abuse of classified material, to ignoring the Geneva Conventions and international law with secret prisons and torturing prisoners.

There is a reason we have laws and why we expect our Presidents to obey them. Institutions have a collective wisdom greater than that of any one individual. The arrogance of this administration’s disdain for the law and its belief it operates with impunity are breathtaking.

Will the President also commute the sentences of others who obstructed justice and lied to grand juries, or only those who act to protect President Bush and Vice President Cheney?”
 
#17
Stonker said:
Clinton lied about coming in a slut's mouth. No fatalities resulted (as far as I am aware). Even his marriage appears to have survived.
I agree with you, but the catholic church might not :wink:
 
#18
crivelli said:
Not a suprise, they said as much would happen on The Daily Show a week or so ago.
Oh really? And that's where you get the news from these days is it?
A fcuking comedy show!
(come to think about it sounds about right :D )
 
#19
Whoa there! This just gets worse.
Bush commuted Libby sentence without consulting Justice Department, Fitzgerald
RAW STORY
Published: Monday July 2, 2007
Link to full article in Washpost. This Libby conviction and sentence quashing is the thorn in the foot that's just turned septic. There is now looming and up coming constitutional clash in America between the Executive and the Judiciary. And this has been on the cards from the afternoon of 9/11 when the gang opened up the 'War on Terror' scam for business.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/02/AR2007070202060_pf.html

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bush_commuted_Libby_without_consulting_Justice_0702.html
 
#20
goodkurtz said:
Some comments by Reasonable representatives who represent reasonable people who wish to live in a civilized and reasonable society.
(By the way Rickshaw, the pints WILL be all on you. That's for sure. No doubt unlike your good self I'm old enough to remember Watergate. God, what fun me and my mates had then. Glued to radios, reading half a dozen newspapers a day, on the blower to each other all day with the latest smidgins of news. All the conservative suits still clinging to the belief he hadn't done anything wrong and even had he done so he wouldn't get nicked. But we KNEW he would. And its for reason. Lots, if not most people would rather pull a veil over the transgressions of their leaders. They have a need to believe in them. But now and again those leaders overreach themselves then give themselves away. This forces the reluctant authorities to take action. These times are upon us now. And I am so gratefull that the chimp won the last election. Because it makes the show so complete. The audience is now fully complicit in the bad play that is being performed on the political stage. Hopefully in aftermath a root and branch reformation of Democracy and what it actually means may take place in America. And the nation will be a darn sight better for it. Well, one can dream can't one?)

Sen. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, presidential candidate
“Last week Vice President Cheney asserted that he was beyond the reach of the law. Today, President Bush demonstrated the lengths he would go to, ensuring that even aides to Dick Cheney are beyond the judgment of the law. It is time for the American people to be heard — I call for all Americans to flood the White House with phone calls tomorrow expressing their outrage over this blatant disregard for the rule of law.”

Former Sen. John Edwards, presidential candidate
“Only a president clinically incapable of understanding that mistakes have consequences could take the action he did today. President Bush has just sent exactly the wrong signal to the country and the world. In George Bush’s America, it is apparently okay to misuse intelligence for political gain, mislead prosecutors and lie to the FBI. George Bush and his cronies think they are above the law and the rest of us live with the consequences. The cause of equal justice in America took a serious blow today.”

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, presidential candidate
“It’s a sad day when the President commutes the sentence of a public official who deliberately and blatantly betrayed the public trust and obstructed an important federal investigation,” said Governor Richardson. “This administration clearly believes its officials are above the law, from ignoring FISA laws when eavesdropping on US citizens, to the abuse of classified material, to ignoring the Geneva Conventions and international law with secret prisons and torturing prisoners.

There is a reason we have laws and why we expect our Presidents to obey them. Institutions have a collective wisdom greater than that of any one individual. The arrogance of this administration’s disdain for the law and its belief it operates with impunity are breathtaking.

Will the President also commute the sentences of others who obstructed justice and lied to grand juries, or only those who act to protect President Bush and Vice President Cheney?”
G_K how very kind of you to imagine I don't have any recollection of Watergate. Unfortunately I am of sufficient age to remember it very clearly :(
 

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