Bush in India

#1
Interesting article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4759592.stm

Dispute 2 points with it, though. The US 'special relationship' in Asia is with Japan, India won't replace it, even assuming India wants to.
Basically the US wants to use India against China the same way it used China against the USSR.

As for the US 'managing' Europe via it's 'special relationship' with the UK - don't think so! We were semi-detatched from Europe for most of the Cold War.
 
#2
US wants something from our 'special relationship' other than to fcuk us over?? This obviously amuses we have enough influence in both camps, which I'm not sure we do.
 
#4
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4759592.stm

When George Junior's visit was being touted last year there was something much more exciting on the table - an "historic" deal which would allow India to gain access to US civilian nuclear technology.
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By having them and coming here, to Delhi, the United States government is saying to India "we trust you, you're one of us, we want you to join our club".
How touching. However Americans are too practical to deliver nuclear technologies without any cause (and it is right)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4715980.stm 16 February 2006

The country has been in talks with Iran and Pakistan to build a $17bn (Ј9.8bn) natural gas pipeline from Iran.

Talks are expected to resume between the three nations next week.

But the deal may run into some trouble: The US is opposed to the project because of Iran's participation.
 
#5
AndyPipkin popped a wheelie:

Europe of declining impotance to US:

Eu's europia building is just Ed... (electile dysfunction).

Have a little blue 'helmet' pill....




warning: If you get an election that lasts more than 4 hours, get medical help right away. Priapusism must be treated as soon as possible or lasting damage can happen to your Eu priapus including the inability to have elections.


:oops:
 
#6
The US and India have had a warmer relationship since 9-11. There have been joint exercises both in India and in Alaska. The real issue between the US and India is weapons sales. India would love to have US weapons but the US has refused such sales in the past because of the relationship with Pakistan and fear of war between the two countries. As a result the Indian's turned to the Russians for equipment.
 
#7
tomahawk6 said:
The US and India have had a warmer relationship since 9-11. There have been joint exercises both in India and in Alaska. The real issue between the US and India is weapons sales. India would love to have US weapons but the US has refused such sales in the past because of the relationship with Pakistan and fear of war between the two countries. As a result the Indian's turned to the Russians for equipment.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060303/ts_nm/bush_india_defense_dc

The United States said on the heels of a landmark civilian nuclear cooperation pact with India on Thursday that it was prepared to sell advanced warplanes and other high-tech arms to the south Asia nation.
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The Pentagon release did not mention any specific deals except to note that Washington was prepared to offer Lockheed Martin F-16 and Boeing F/A-18 jet fighters to India.
Maybe few F-16 would be bought to learn their weak points (takong into account Pakistan)

http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/007810.php

a) The Indian SU-30 Flankers's are Russian F-15 analogs, air superiority fighters, with French electronics. The F-16s, in contrast, are multi-role strike fighters. The Flanker was designed after the F-16 was with the full intelligence the KGB provided on the to Soviet Design bureaus. The Flankers have bigger diameter radomes for the air superiority mission so their radars will see the F-16s sooner than the F-16s will see them given equivalent vintage electronics.

b) Russian Su-30's have long-range infrared search and track telescopes so the Su-30's would have visual engagement at longer-range than F-16s, which lack them. (Those sites are standard equipment for the under development F35.) This means the Flankers can engage with their Russian made AA-11 Archer infra red dogfight missiles sooner than the F-16s can with their Sidewinders.

c) The Russians sell their Su-30's with A-11 Archer off bore sight dogfight missiles and helmet-mounted sites. The USAF hasn't yet achieved full deployment of its AIM-9X Super Sidewinders with the equivalent helmet mounted site on F-16s. I suspect the F-16s involved in Cope India 2005 did not have these toys.
Indian Air Marshal:

"The Sukhoi is a ... better plane than the F-16," says Vinod Patney, a retired Indian Air Force marshal, and former vice chief of air staff.
 
#8
Indians have the highest favorable view of the US according to newest Pew Global Attitudes poll. Russians--of all people--viewed the Americans as immoral in higher numbers than any other nation.
 
#9
Virgil said:
Indians have the highest favorable view of the US according to newest Pew Global Attitudes poll. Russians--of all people--viewed the Americans as immoral in higher numbers than any other nation.
Virgil!

According to the article

42% of Russians see that Americans are immoral but
39% of Americans have the same opinion and
in Netherlands, France, Spain numbers are very close (within statistical error).

It should be noted that Russian Orthodox Church is strongly oppose to homosexual relations (and in Russian mentality it is a great sin, immorality). So something that is regarded as 'freedom' would be regarded as 'immorality' in Russia. Like you it or not it is as it is. Also Iraqi war should be mentioned. It is not moral form point of view of many Russians (and Americans as well).

Also there are other interesting data in the article

Attitudes toward the U.S. in the former Soviet bloc nations of Poland and Russia are much more positive than in most of Western Europe. In Russia, favorable opinion of its former Cold War adversary has swelled from 36% in 2002 to 52% currently.
As to other countries then we have

55% - the UK (not so big difference)
43% - France
41% - Germany (visibly lower)

As to India with its 71% then attitude to Russia (I suppose) is maybe even better.
 
#10
Q: A Polish soldier has a Russian advancing on him from one side and a German from the other. Qhich does he shoot first?

A: The German - business before pleasure :p

Sergey, has it occured to you that many if not most people in the states of Eastern Europe and the former USSR really, REALLY HATE Russia?
 
#11
AndyPipkin said:
Sergey, has it occured to you that many if not most people in the states of Eastern Europe and the former USSR really, REALLY HATE Russia?
Much the same as most people in our former Empire hating us then, eh? It's tough at the top and even tougher when you used to be at the top :wink:
 
#13
AndyPipkin said:
Actually I think we're alot less hated in our former dominiums than the Russians are in theirs. Just IMHO.
Just wait. Soviet empire collapsed quite recently.

http://www.etzel.org.il/english/ac14.htm

A gallows regime, that is what you are trying to impose on this country, which was intended to serve as a beacon of light for all mankind. And in your foolishness and malice, you assume that by means of this regime you will succeed in breaking the spirit of our people, the people for whom the whole country has become a gallows. You are wrong. You will discover that you have met up with steel, steel forged in the flame of love and hatred, love of the homeland and of freedom and hatred of slavery and of the invader. It is burning steel, and you cannot shatter it. You will burn your own hands.
I think that attitude of average Israeli to the UK has been changed.
 
#14
It would take a generation or so for the Indians to drop the Russians as their main arms supplier. I also think that anti-Indian sentiment in the Republican Party which dates back to the time of Eisenhower means that there will always be some who are weary of India. Arrogant countries don’t tend to mix well
India will never be a check on China. There is no way that the Indians will ever step up the plate and defend western interests. The rest of south Asia won’t be too happy about the American backing for the ‘natural leadership’ of India in south Asia. Can’t wait for the next SAARC meeting it will be Karzai and India who will be the only ones opposing full Chinese entry into the organisation.
 

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