Burning the Union Flag

#1
The Second Reading for this Bill is October the 15th.
Please write to your MP and ask them to add your name in support of this Bill.

{Member of Parliament}
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA

And please copy to the...

Prime Minister
10 Downing Street
London
SW1A 1AA

This Bill will need all the support it can get, it is a rank outsider with little to no hope given the present climate of hand holding with those on our shores who would undermined and threaten the safety of this Nation.

BBC :angel:

..and if you don't know who your MP is.....
http://www.parliament.uk/directories/hciolists/alcm.cfm


*Edited as I was at work during first posting, Sorry!*
 
#2
Damn right it should be an offence. To burn someones flag is to send an insult to that country.

However, given the PC culture permeating through this country, I don't expect it to get voted in by this bunch of spineless t0ssers :evil:
 
#3
Oh, I dunno... isn't it illegal to burn the s+s over the pond?

Anything dubya says, must be right, after all :roll:
 
#4
Is this kind of law _really_ necessary in a free society? Oh wait, we don't live in a free society... And when radical muslims do it, you can guarantee they won't be nicked for it!

I think that people should start to fly the Union flag upside down (a distress signal) to subtly say that they think that the UK is going up faeces creek without a paddle... But that's just my opinion.
 
#5
Is it not an offence to fly the UJ other than from a public building?

Someone up here was ordered to take it down last year.

OK to fly St Georges flag but not UJ

PC or not it should be illegal to burn it in public

Effigies of our Tony and his 'First Lady' being burned is differant...
Since when has the grinning other half been our 'First Lady' anyway?
Does he have a 'Second Lady' ? ~ Phone the Daily Mail at once....
 
#7
Doesn't that go against our right to freedom of expression?

Perhaps a more understanding approach should be used.....

Logic - If someone feels so strongly against our country as to burn our flag, then they are obviously not happy living here. There is a strong liklyhood that they might be compelled to live somewhere else. I talk here about anyone of any nationality....not just the usual suspects.

Therefore, the govt should give them a helping hand by giving them a one-way ticket back to their country of origin (presuming in this case that they had one other than Great Britain) as they obviously would feel that whatever compelled them to find a way into GB is no longer a problem in their homeland.

I believe that GB is right to offer sanctuary to anyone who genuinely needs to escape persecution from their own country. I personally would be very greatful to a country that offered me my life and liberty over repression and torture.

Anyone who is a genuine assylum case would not burn the Union Flag, the symbol of freedom that they so bravely risked their life to reach.

People who burn our flag should simply have all citizenship revoked, and returned immediately to their country of origin. Lets face it, to carry out such a deed must certainly put them beyond any doubt in their own countrys eyes. They would be a national hero, not persecuted by their homeland.

Of course, any Brit who burned a Union Flag should be shot a dawn.

8O
 
#9
Mike_2817 said:
Is it not an offence to fly the UJ other than from a public building?
I don't think so, I have a fcuking huge one flying off the top of my offices on one end and a St Georges Cross on the other. Place is constantly being visited by plod and council wallahs and it has never been mentioned. The only thing that gets confusing is when and for how long it has to be at half mast when the situation arises, so I just copy the castle that I can see out of the window.

Besides that, I'd tip burning oil on them if they told me to take it down.
 
#10
There's one on my office too......along with a big golden m on a red background.... :lol:
 
#11
Mike_2817 said:
Is it not an offence to fly the UJ other than from a public building?
Someone up here was ordered to take it down last year.
I stand corrected, I have just been informed that the case I referred to was more to do with erecting a flagpole without planing permission!

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/page398.asp refers to flying on public buildings:

The flying of the Union Flag on public buildings is decided by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport at The Queen's command. The Union Flag is flown on government buildings on days marking the birthdays of members of the Royal family, Commonwealth Day, Coronation Day, The Queen's official birthday, Remembrance Day and on the days of the State Opening and prorogation of Parliament; it is also flown on St David's Day (Wales), St George's Day (England), St Andrew's Day (Scotland), and St Patrick's Day (Northern Ireland).

Although the Union Flag originated as a royal flag, it is now also flown by many people and organisations elsewhere in the United Kingdom by long established custom. Its use as an emblem has extended beyond the form of a flag and the Union Jack is frequently depicted on other objects.
 
#12
good to fly, but wasnt there loads of firms who promised shite storms on their employees who flew the st geoge cross for england in the euro's. i know my bradford based bosses put the no no on that :cry:
 
#13
stoatman said:
Is this kind of law _really_ necessary in a free society? Oh wait, we don't live in a free society... And when radical muslims do it, you can guarantee they won't be nicked for it!

I think that people should start to fly the Union flag upside down (a distress signal) to subtly say that they think that the UK is going up faeces creek without a paddle... But that's just my opinion.
Pah, no-one'd bloody notice! 8O
 
#14
Snow_White said:
Oh, I dunno... isn't it illegal to burn the s+s over the pond?
Although there are occasionally foam-at-the-mouth-nationalists (sorry, patriots) in the US who keep trying to get flag-burning made illegal, it isn't.

Just to rub it in, the official, US forces, mandated method of getting rid of US flags that are worn out, damaged, etc, is...........to burn them. :roll:
 
#15
Gravelbelly said:
Snow_White said:
Oh, I dunno... isn't it illegal to burn the s+s over the pond?
Although there are occasionally foam-at-the-mouth-nationalists (sorry, patriots) in the US who keep trying to get flag-burning made illegal, it isn't.

Just to rub it in, the official, US forces, mandated method of getting rid of US flags that are worn out, damaged, etc, is...........to burn them. :roll:
I believe it was judged to be a part of having a constitutionally decreed right to free speech. Not allowed to burn the flag = not allowed to express oneself freely. Thus the Supreme Court shrugs and says "Oh if you must....."

Q. You can burn the fabric but do the associated ideas go up with it?
 
#16
Given that I am a sabre toothed thatcherite who makes most people on this site look positively pink, I think trying to introduce a law banning burning of the Union Flag is a waste of tax payers cash and parliamentary time. If a chap wants to burn a flag then let him/her/whatever. Likewise if I want to remonstrate with the fellow in a good old fashioned Yorkshire manner for doing so I am quite prepared to go before a jury and claim mitigating circumstances.

I don't like people burning the union flag, I don't like people coursing hares or fishing or indeed, voting labour, but oh how I loathe and hate those people who want to stop other people doing things because they don't like or understand or agree with them.
 
#17
Yes, we burn them when they are unserviceable, but it is a solemn ceremony carried out by veterans or patriotic organizations like Veterans of Foreign Wars or the American Legion....not exactly a bar-b-que.

Ceremony for Disposal of Unserviceable Flags

The Post: Assembles in meeting, out-of-doors, at night. Members are aligned in two parallel rows about
twenty feet apart, facing each other.

Officers: At their stations.

A Small Fire...is burning opposite the Commander and beyond the rows of Members.

Sergeant-at-Arms: "Comrade Commander, we wish to present a number of unserviceable Flags of our
Country for inspection and disposal."

Commander: "Comrade Sergeant-at-Arms...advance with your detail and present the Flags for
inspection and disposal."

Sergeant-at-Arms: Calls his detail to attention.

The Detail: They form at the Post of the Sergeant-at-Arms, take the Flags which are to be inspected
and march abreast down center until opposite the Second Vice-Commander, turn right and halt two
paces in front of the Second Vice-Commander.

Sergeant-at-Arms: Steps one pace forward and salutes the Vice Commander.

Sergeant-at-Arms: "Comrade Vice-Commander, we present these unserviceable Flags for your
inspection."

Second Vice-Commander: "Is the present condition of these Flags the result of their usual service as
the Emblem of our Country?"

Sergeant-at-Arms: "These Flags have become faded and worn over the graves of our departed
comrades and the Soldier and Sailor dead of all our Nation's wars."

Second Vice-Commander: "Present these Flags to the First Vice-Commander for his inspection."

Sergeant-at-Arms: Salutes, about faces, and commands the detail, "About Face."

Sergeant-at-Arms: Crosses behind the detail and takes his post at its left, and commands...
"Forward March."

The Detail: Marches to within two paces of the First Vice-Commander, halts and proceeds as before.

Sergeant-at-Arms: "Comrade Vice-Commander, we present these Flags which have been inspected by
the Second Vice-Commander, for your further inspection."

First Vice-Commander: "Have any of these Flags served any other purpose?"

Sergeant-at-Arms: "Some of these Flags have been displayed in various public places."

First Vice-Commander: "Present them to the Commander for final inspection and fitting disposal."

Sergeant-at-Arms: Salutes, about faces, commands the detail, "About Face."

Sergeant-at-Arms: Crosses behind the detail and takes position on its left commands, "Forward March."

The Detail: Marches to center, turns left, and halts within two paces of the Commander.

Sergeant-at-Arms: Steps one pace forward and salutes.

Sergeant-at-Arms: "Comrade Commander, we have the honor to present for final inspection and proper
disposal these Flags of our Country."

Commander: "Have these Flags been inspected by the First and Second Vice-Commanders?"

Sergeant-at-Arms: "They have."

Commander: "Comrade Second Vice-Commander, what does your inspection show and what do you
recommend?"

Second Vice-Commander: "Comrade Commander, since these Flags have become unserviceable in a
worthy cause, I recommend that they be honorably retired from further service."

Commander: "Comrade First Vice-Commander, what does your inspection show and what do you
recommend?"

First Vice-Commander: "Comrade Commander, since these Flags have become faded and worn in a
tribute of service and love, I also recommend that they be fittingly destroyed."

Commander: "Comrades, we have presented here these Flags of our Country which have been
inspected and condemned as unserviceable. They have reached their present state in a proper
service of tribute, memory and love.

Commander: "A Flag may be a flimsy bit of printed gauze, or a beautiful banner of finest silk. Its
intrinsic value may be trifling or great; but its real value is beyond price, for it is a precious symbol
of all that we and our comrades have worked for and lived for, and died for...a free Nation of free men,
true to the faith of the past, devoted to the ideals and practice of Justice, Freedom and Democracy.

Commander: "Let these faded Flags of our Country be retired and destroyed with respectful
and honorable rites and their places be taken by bright new Flags of the same size and kind,
and let no grave of our soldier or sailor dead be unhonored and unmarked.

Commander: "Sergeant-at-Arms, assemble the Color Guard, escort the detail bearing the Flags
and destroy these Flags by burning. The members shall stand at attention."

Color Guard: Forms.

The Detail: About faces.

Color Guard & Detail: Preceded by the Color Guard...the detail marches down center to the fire.

National Colors: Cross over and take position on the right of the fire, facing the Commander.

Post Standard: Takes position on left of fire.

The Detail: Lines up behind the fire, which is burning low.

Commander: "The Chaplain will offer prayer."

Chaplain: "Almighty God, Captain of all hosts and Commander over all, bless and consecrate this
present hour. "We thank Thee for our Country and its Flag, and for the Liberty for which it stands.

Chaplain: "To a clean and purging flame we commit these Flags, worn-out in worthy Service. As they
yield their substance to the fire, may Thy Holy Light spread over us and bring to our hearts renewed
devotion to God and Country. Amen."

Commander: "Hand salute."

Color Guard: Present arms.

Post Standard:...is dipped.

All Officers and Members, except those on the Flag Detail: Salute.

Members of the Flag Detail: Dip the condemned Flags in kerosene and place them on a rack
over the fire.

Bugler: Sounds "To the Colors."

Commander: At the conclusion of "To the Colors"..."Two."

Color Guard: Resume its station...and the detail is dismissed.

Color Guard: Advances down center and places the Colors.

Members of the Detail: Resume their places among the Members.

Ceremony Ends: The Flag Disposal Ceremony concludes in a manner established by the Post.
 
#19
It's a flag. You want to criminalise someone for buring a flag?!

It's called freedom of speech, you don't have to agree with why they do it, but so long as they don't hurt anyone while they do it: let them crack on.
 

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