Bureaucrats in Uniform

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by tomahawk6, Jan 29, 2006.

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  1. msr

    msr LE

    T6,

    Presumably there is a downside to this policy: The U.S. has long maintained an "up or out" promotion policy, which forces people out of the service if they are not promoted within a certain amount of time.

    msr
     
  2. Msr, I dont see a downside to getting people out of the service who are unable to be promoted. However, this policy has been modified during the war in Iraq. Captain's that fail to get promoted are allowed to stay a bit longer. Keep in mind our last Major promotion board promoted 96% of eligible Captain's, so we are really talking about the 4% who were passed over. NCO release points have been slid back a couple years from what they were previously. This system eliminates deadwood preventing the promotion of younger men/women.
     
  3. Belgium recently discovered that 14 percent of its troops were obese (compared to 12 percent of the general population), and unfit for many of their duties.

    Obese Belgians in luminous combats, only a thought....
     
  4. Here is an obese Gallic warrior:
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  5. T6, whilst not a down side as such, there can be some Cpls and Sgts that have a great deal of knowledge and experience to guide their superiors who wont get promoted again.

    The up or out is sometimes brought in, i nthe guies of Manning Control Points in the British Army too.
     
  6. There was always something to be said of the 22 year corporal. Not everybody is interested in getting as high up the ladder as possible. There are advantages to having some old heads on junior NCO's shoulders. Have known several of these who were well respected by everybody in the unit.
    Also don't forget those who did their 22 at the rank and doing the jobs that nobody else wanted to do.
     
  7. A pyramid is built from the bottom up (next meaningless metaphor please...)
     
  8. I think the original article looks extremely suspect, perhaps no more than an opinionated writer latching on to one story to 'prove' his viewpoint.

    Where are the sources to prove this for other European armies?

    It would be an interesting debate if anyone could quote some facts rather than biased opinions?


    Reuters - Belgian Army
     
  9. Bureaucrats in Uniform...

    It's a nice story. :wink:

    And shows to what lengths one section of the US will go to put down the Europeans. Belgium = chocolate = fat. Is that the best sum that strategypage can come up with?

    Many European armies are still built around the conscripted national serviceman on a (very) short term engagement. By the time they've finished the equivalent of our phase 1, they're going home. Moreover, many EU countries have a policy of making PSO voluntary to national servicemen, so you can't just pluck a unit from the orbat and plonk it into Iraq, Afghanistan or Bosnia.

    Sure they've got a civil mentality - a fair few of them ARE civvies stuck in a uniform for 6 months against their will!!!!

    Whoever wrote the strategypage text has picked up his copy of 'The Military Balance' and totted up the totals - without having the slightest clue about the true structure behind the numbers.

    Next.