Bulldozers ready to destroy Deepcut Barracks

#1
from today's Sunday Telegraph. A BAFF rep spoke on this issue this morning on Radio 5 Live. BAFF in the news

Bulldozers ready to destroy Deepcut Barracks

By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor
Last Updated: 12:12am GMT 06/01/2008

The army's notorious Deepcut Barracks could soon be swept away by the bulldozers.

The training base, where four young recruits were found shot dead, is likely to make way for a housing estate of up to 5,000 homes.

The closure of Deepcut Barracks is likely to be staggered, with some training carrying on in the short term

It has fallen victim to the MoD's Defence Training Review, which will see the closure of several bases in the south of England and their relocation to other parts of the country, saving an estimated £10 million.

But ministers, who will announce the closure on Tuesday, are also well aware of the symbolic value of shutting down a base whose name has become synonymous with bullying in the Army.

Four privates - Sean Benton, 20, of Hastings, East Sussex; James Collinson, 17, of Perth; Geoff Gray, 17, of Seaham, County Durham; and Cheryl James, 18, of Llangollen, North Wales - died of bullet wounds in separate incidents at the base near Camberley in Surrey between 1995 and 2002.

Their families have staged a long campaign for a full public inquiry, which the MoD has always refused to hold.
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In 2004 ministers appointed Nicholas Blake, a leading QC, to examine the cases after the victims' families disputed Army accounts that the recruits had all committed suicide. The families said there was a culture of bullying and abuse at the barracks.

However, Mr Blake concluded that none of the four had been "bullied to death". The QC also rejected calls for a public inquiry.

His report made 34 recommendations on dealing with recruits, particularly those under 18. It concluded that none of the deaths could have been predicted but it was critical of "systematic failures" at Deepcut to follow up claims of abuse properly.

At the time, Adam Ingram, the defence minister, admitted that Mr Blake had "described a disturbing catalogue of misconduct at the relevant times". However, he said this had to be balanced against the Army's need to turn young recruits into soldiers.

The barracks' closure is likely to be staggered, with some training carrying on in the short term. Deepcut is the main training base for the Royal Logistic Corps and several thousand recruits pass through it every year.

Michael Gove, the Conservative MP for Surrey Heath, said: "At a time when the Government's commitment to the armed forces is increasingly under question, this will be seen as a vote of no confidence.

"It is a pity that ministers are not prepared more vigorously to defend the team at Deepcut who have turned the base around and are delivering superb training."

The announcement of Deepcut's closure follows earlier reassurances from ministers about its future, with some suggestions it could stay open until 2017.

The MoD last night declined to comment, ...
 
#2
Attended courses there at the School of Clerical Training RAOC back in the 1980s. It was an utterly depressing place then, stuck in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Whatever it's improvements following the deaths of those young soldiers, no matter how good it's training regime now is, Deepcut it cut deeply into the public psyche as epitomising the more unedifying and unsavoury aspects of military life as perceived by the public and it is probably better that it is bulldozed over and forgotten, except, perhaps, for a small memorial left there in memory of those who died in that place.
 
#6
Training would be undertaken at local colleges and delivered by private contractors. Recruits would be expected to live in empty nearby council flats and use public transport to college. In their spare time they would be expected to repair these council flats and bring them up to a standard for Asylum seekers and vagrants.

It's a massive cost saving exercise for the MoD & local councils benefit.

In the evening recruits will be able to organise 5 a side football & other past times with local young adults their own age.

There will be a mandatory no alcohol ban in these flats & CCTV fitted to the local Wetherspoons to ensure that the recruits behave themselves.
 
#7
58_Pattern said:
Training would be undertaken at local colleges and delivered by private contractors. Recruits would be expected to live in empty nearby council flats and use public transport to college. In their spare time they would be expected to repair these council flats and bring them up to a standard for Asylum seekers and vagrants.

It's a massive cost saving exercise for the MoD & local councils benefit.

In the evening recruits will be able to organise 5 a side football & other past times with local young adults their own age.

There will be a mandatory no alcohol ban in these flats & CCTV fitted to the local Wetherspoons to ensure that the recruits behave themselves.
That would be funny if half of your statement weren't capable of coming true. :cry:
 
#8
My personal take on this is that building land is the most valueable in the South of England, especially in places like Surrey. Easiest option for the Liabor Government of the day is to order a training review and lo and behold and surprise, surprise, sell of valuable assets and re-locate training where needed to the North of the Watford Gap/Wales/Scotland.
An extra bonus as far as the government is concerned is any relocations will in all probability be made to Liabour marginal seats/strongholds.
They have sold off most what they can in the Capitol so must look ouside the Metropolitan area.
 
#9
exile1 said:
My personal take on this is that building land is the most valueable in the South of England, especially in places like Surrey. Easiest option for the Liabor Government of the day is to order a training review and lo and behold and surprise, surprise, sell of valuable assets and re-locate training where needed to the North of the Watford Gap/Wales/Scotland.
An extra bonus as far as the government is concerned is any relocations will in all probability be made to Liabour marginal seats/strongholds.
They have sold off most what they can in the Capitol so must look ouside the Metropolitan area.
At least we'll be able to get a cheap pint when we visit the depot!
 
#11
Government can't be bothered to defend the very many fine instructors who have had the misfortune to be posted there.

Huge financial gain by re-classifying land as residential and selling it to highest bidder.

Send it all to labour heartland of S Wales - gain votes

Win, win , win
 
#12
my sis walked out after a short while of training, she said it had a weird haunting feel
 
#13
PrayingMantis said:
my sis walked out after a short while of training, she said it had a weird haunting feel
probably just as well she walked out then :roll:
 
#14
skintboymike said:
exile1 said:
My personal take on this is that building land is the most valueable in the South of England, especially in places like Surrey. Easiest option for the Liabor Government of the day is to order a training review and lo and behold and surprise, surprise, sell of valuable assets and re-locate training where needed to the North of the Watford Gap/Wales/Scotland.
An extra bonus as far as the government is concerned is any relocations will in all probability be made to Liabour marginal seats/strongholds.
They have sold off most what they can in the Capitol so must look ouside the Metropolitan area.
At least we'll be able to get a cheap pint when we visit the depot!
Not if sodexho are running the facilities
 
#16
Ralf said:
skintboymike said:
Where would training be held after it closes?
What! You mean Loggies are trained :omg:
Why don't you run along and ask your RQ where he did his RQMS course.
 
#17
In fact why don't you just run along .... any motorway that is convenient.


Re: Leconfield being favorite - please don't confuse drivers and loggies. Try looking at RLC forum for a critique of Leconfield
 
#18
Herrumph said:
In fact why don't you just run along .... any motorway that is convenient.


Re: Leconfield being favorite - please don't confuse drivers and loggies. Try looking at RLC forum for a critique of Leconfield
That's apt from a fat lard arrse loggie "run". Judging by the size of you blokes it's been a long time since you lot ran....Now waddle along and go count blankets :slow: .
 
#19
Send in the dozers. Reasons why:


1. It's the home of the RLC. Which is a ****ing embarresment.
2. The Officers' mess looks like a cheap motel (from crossroads?)
3. It's associated with the deepcut sniper incidents.
4. It's a ****ing dump.
5. All the courses run there are shite- HASAW, HAZMAT, QMs etc.
6. It's worth a few sheckles that can be used to provide decent accommodation elsewhere.
7. DRLC lives there and I'd like the fat cnut to commute or live married unaccompanied like his shite posting system makes so many do.

Reasons not to bulldoze:

1. I had a fantastic blowjob there once.
2. Last item (as taught on the shitty Q courses run there)
 
#20
A friend of mine owns a 'Small cottage' in Camberly.
When he returned from his last UK visit he was raving about the prospects of being able to buy Prime Building Land on the site of the old Deepcut Brks which he knew where to be pulled down.
However the deal had been done and the land sold to well connected Speculators.
john
Prime Government land in the Stockbroker belt.
and for 'Small Cottage' well thats his description, Small Mansion is what other friends have termed it.
 

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