Building a country pile on the cheap

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  1. I am asking about the planning issues involved in building an Eco-Home. From what I can gather if I can prove over a number of years that the land is providing an agricultural income sufficient to live off, then I can live in a caravan or a temporary structure until I can apply for planning permission. I am obviously going the Eco-Home route. In truth I couldn’t give a toss about MMGW, Kyoto or Cameron’s windmill. But I would like to know if anybody here has experience of this business and can share some pointers.

    I have found a six acre plot of woodland consisting of deciduous and pine, which is already being used for small scale industrial production of firewood . It has frontage to a main road and lane, but is thankfully in the middle of a great expanse of countryside. The view across the fields is undisturbed by chav huts in every direction for miles.

    My plan is to build a thatched roundhouse on said land. The walls would be of a straw bale infill, wood supported structure, finished with earthen stucco. The roof thatched with Norfolk reed, all mod cons supplied off grid, which is a major problem I’m looking at.

    I am asking about the planning issues involved in building said Eco-home. From what I can gather, if I can prove over a number of years that the land is providing an agricultural income sufficient to live off, then I can live in a caravan or a temporary structure until I can apply for planning permission. I am obviously going the Eco-home route. I have heard it’s between four and eleven years, dependent on the structure you dwell in.

    [FONT=&amp]I am looking at having a thatched, modern roundhouse, with a few stables and the already established wood business. I hope it might be worth a couple of hundred grand with outline planning permission for a brick pile[/FONT]

    I know this is by far the worst place to post this; I don’t need a military installation building. But I figure if you cast your net far and wide you catch more fish. Plus after reading Arrse for a while I know there are many bright people, who I hope will understand my lack of green credentials, yet advise me anyway.
  2. Grand designs? get yer mush on the box along with how much under the thumb you are with the missus for all to enjoy?
  3. **** Grand Designs I don't think they really agree with 12v bulbs and stir your own shit toilets. What I'm talking about is using governments love of all things green to eventually get outline planning permission for a house in the middle of green belt land. In this case, sat in it's own six acres of woodland.

    I'll build my straw house by ******* hand if through arguments with the local planning committee, I'm allowed to develop the land. It will be worth £300,000 with outline permission.

    Has for the missus, she ******* hates the idea of a composting toilet you no imagination, lacking inspiration, no mark ****.
  4. Your ******* dog hates you too. That's why it keeps shitting on your grass.
  5. That is exactly what I thought of this terrible windup, sockpuppet driven drivvel.
  6. Is this the cock front door entry system G4S style. I have to get past your bullshit to get a straight answer?
  7. No bullshit but straight answers you shall get....lets see...

    just joined

    first post some innane drivvel about an eco lefty, cardigan wearing liberal vegetarian shiote

    i never bit back but the desperation to inflame the thread is effervescent

    ....let me sum this up...


    already have, bore off...I'll leave this to the jury

    your first reply was a clear 'bite'
  8. Best of luck getting a small living let alone enough to live off on six acres. As for getting planning permission on designated agricultural land, slimmer than a slim chance eco or no.
  9. napier

    napier LE Moderator Reviewer

    A friend of my brother did similar (woodland, timber lodge, etc) his excuse being a small fish farm. Turns out the business was profitable enough so he didn't need to fudge the books.
  10. In the middle of a self-build at the moment. The 'agricultural tie' is a way to gain planning permission in an area of rural land. The crux is that once built and operating your rural business - the home and business are intrinsically linked to the point that if the business closes- the home is demolished- or at least there are challenges in selling afterwards- as this is to stop people starting a pencil whittling business to build a stately home etc.

    I would focus on researching the agricultural tie and you local planning authorities view of it. God luck
  11. Ive always fancied this, huge expanses of land here in aus, all i need is a coastal fronted plot of land and a pile of cash to build my own mini harbour and water tight house on the break water. Something like this:


    But mine.
  12. How are you going to get water? ie are you drilling/sinking a well onto the property or using rain water capture system?

    where does the local water table sit in relation to your proposed property? Will you be using a reed bed system in order to dispose of your waste water so is doesnt contaminate the local water table?

    I take being off grid you will be using photovoltaic solar cells in order to generate electricity, couple with a massive battery bank? also will you be using a solar furnace idea for heating of water, some countries use solar furnaces to cook also, but bng in woodland will it work?

    Wind/water turbines may also be used in order to produce energy pump water but in a woodland area do you have enough 'wind' in order to power a turbine or vawt? you could build high but will you get permission to.

    if close to a river or stream you might be able to install a water powered turbine or water wheel to power your dwelling, however think of the flood plain area. You may not be able to alter the course of the steam/river due to any ecological impact.

    a 12v system is viable for lighting etc, plus its cheap, led lighting would be ideal to use in garages and almost any area of the build.

    as for sustainability i take it you will be using polly tunnels, which also require a lot of light in order to grow crops all year round?
  13. Thanks for your questions.

    I am expecting to be able to use rain water capture for much of my non-potable water needs, with a tank for potable water delivered by a local company. On average in the UK only 3% of the water we use is drinking water, a third of it goes down the loo, and the next largest use is the washing machine. I’m planning on installing a composting toilet so there goes a third of the water use straight away. I also live in Lancashire and it never stops raining. I’ll use a soak away for disposing of the waste water.

    The woodland is surrounded on three sides by arable fields. I plan to build on the southern edge of the woods to ensure plenty of light. So yes, I will be using solar for power generation. By using lower power 12v lighting and sacrificing the desktop for a laptop etc. I expect to be able to manage fine. I built a canal barge a few years ago, for that I used a bank of five leisure batteries, connected to a 3000w pure sine wave inverter. Although in that instance power was provided by a diesel engine, I don’t expect the set up to be particularly different and we are used to living with limited power.

    The benefit of living in a wood is a plentiful supply of fuel. I would be planning to use a wood burning stove with back boiler to supply hot water for heating, washing etc.

    I don’t like turbines for power generation, there is no source of running water on the property and I consider wind power, whether a small turbine at home or a massive turbine on a hill, a waste of money.
  14. Am I gettin this right, you want to build a house in the middle of a forrest, which they haven't alowed for getting on a 100 yrs? You've more chance of getting noshed off by the Queen, no matter how "Green" you make it you will be f**ked off.
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  15. I'm not really bothered about green, it's nice and all that but in this instance it will help me to finally get planning permission somewhere down the line.

    First off, if you can live off a business that is connected to said land and your permanent presence is required then you can live there. This land is already felled commercially.

    Admittedly you can't just turn up and build your house on that alone. You could put a static on the site and live in that no problem, eventually they will give you planning permission for a house. Or you go down the sustainable eco-habitat route, build your house with bales, make sure no butterflies were harmed in construction and you will eventually end up with acres of woodland in the countryside with planning permission. And all for less than the price of a terraced house.