Bufty Foster Parents Guilty Of Child Abuse

#1
Two male gay foster parents have just been convicted of child abuse. Now, I'll probably get some bleeding heart liberal on here gobbing off about "straight" foster parent abuse, but I don't give a sh*te. What idiot decided to let these deviants foster kids. How would you feel if a child you knew was being fostered by Buftys?? Call me homophobic if you like, because I am.
 
#2
Do you have a link to this story?
 
#4
I'm not a homophobic but I do agree that they shouldn't have been allowed to foster. Kids need a stable environment, and I'm talking nuture vs nature here. Don't give a sh*t what the stats say but raising kids in that sort of relationship against raising them in a proper mother/father one when the kids aren't used to it surely has got to confuse them more, expecially at that age!

I'm a firm believer that psychological profiling should be one of the most important checks given for people wishing to foster etc. It might not solve all problems but it would reduce some of these sick b*stards chances at least.
 
#5
the_guru said:
Two male gay foster parents have just been convicted of child abuse. Now, I'll probably get some bleeding heart liberal on here gobbing off about "straight" foster parent abuse, but I don't give a sh*te. What idiot decided to let these deviants foster kids. How would you feel if a child you knew was being fostered by Buftys?? Call me homophobic if you like, because I am.

I think in my opinion that all children should have a mother and father I do not believe in same sex people looking after children as I think it just confuses the situation. The thing is whom do they call mum and who do they call dad.
 
#6
I agree with you on that one Doctrine, however this shouldnt be an issue on whether we approve of same sex parenting. The fact of the matter is that yet again we hear of another tale of child abuse.

All parents (biological or otherwise) have a duty to ensure the children in their care are brought up in a safe environment - the fact that they abused this trust in such a vile way, in my opinion is the sickest aspect of this story.
 
#7
So what you are saying is that a child should be kept in childrens homes and passed from pillar to post rather than go to a loving family just because they are gay? In a perfect world, yes every child should have a mother and father but this isn't a perfect world. Are you saying that every single parent should also lose their children because there isn't a mother and a father because one has run off.

It is this kind of biggoted mentality that means so many children miss out on a loving home.

I agree with you on the profiling Tiger but it should not matter if somebody is gay or not.

as Guru kindly pointed out many straight foster parents abuse children aswell, it has nothing to do with their sexuality.
 
#8
jest265 said:
So what you are saying is that a child should be kept in childrens homes and passed from pillar to post rather than go to a loving family just because they are gay? .
I think the issue is the "loving" that they received here.
 
#9
the_guru said:
jest265 said:
So what you are saying is that a child should be kept in childrens homes and passed from pillar to post rather than go to a loving family just because they are gay? .
I think the issue is the "loving" that they received here.
Which is not the issue that you raised at the start of the thread, and I quote:

the_guru said:
How would you feel if a child you knew was being fostered by Buftys?? Call me homophobic if you like, because I am.
I think the "loving" or let's just say it out loud, abuse, that the children were subjected to probably had precious little to do with their foster parents' sexuality. You'll be no doubt surprised to know that there are almost NO lesbian child molesters ever documented.

In addition, I am very close to a gay couple, and I would have no hesitation in them fostering or adopting my son should anything ever happen to my partner or me. I'd rather them than stand the risk of them falling prey to any of the child molesters out there - some of whom are, shock horror, heterosexual!

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#10
Faunch, 32, of Sides Road, Carleton Park, Pontefract, was found guilty at Leeds Crown Court of two counts of taking indecent photos of a child by using a camcorder to film two naked eight-year-old boys in the shower.
Interestingly, this could be completely innocent behaviour - I have been known to take photos of my son in the bath, where he is, surprisingly enough, naked!

Defence barristers had claimed the allegations were "bizarre" and "incredible" and that one of the boys had made unfounded sexual allegations in the past.
Yes, of course, I know "well, they would say that", but I could draw a parallel with this and the Michael Jackson case.

Don't get me wrong, I know they've been found guilty, and if they really are then I hope they rot, but there are some obvious causes for raised eyebrows in the above.

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#11
piespies said:
Faunch, 32, of Sides Road, Carleton Park, Pontefract, was found guilty at Leeds Crown Court of two counts of taking indecent photos of a child by using a camcorder to film two naked eight-year-old boys in the shower.
Interestingly, this could be completely innocent behaviour - I have been known to take photos of my son in the bath, where he is, surprisingly enough, naked!

Defence barristers had claimed the allegations were "bizarre" and "incredible" and that one of the boys had made unfounded sexual allegations in the past.
Yes, of course, I know "well, they would say that", but I could draw a parallel with this and the Michael Jackson case.

Don't get me wrong, I know they've been found guilty, and if they really are then I hope they rot, but there are some obvious causes for raised eyebrows in the above.

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Photos of naked 8 year old??!! Fcuk off mate, when kids are toddlers then yes, i have some when my son was a toddler, BUT 8?
 
#12
jest265 said:
So what you are saying is that a child should be kept in childrens homes and passed from pillar to post rather than go to a loving family just because they are gay? In a perfect world, yes every child should have a mother and father but this isn't a perfect world. Are you saying that every single parent should also lose their children because there isn't a mother and a father because one has run off.

It is this kind of biggoted mentality that means so many children miss out on a loving home.

I agree with you on the profiling Tiger but it should not matter if somebody is gay or not.

as Guru kindly pointed out many straight foster parents abuse children aswell, it has nothing to do with their sexuality.
Kids should be with their natural parents as far as possible. Where the circumstances create a single parent family they should remain with the lone parent. There is no question about removing the child from a suitable lone parent unless they are incapable of looking after the child(ren).

As far as allowing gay couples to adopt or foster I personally believe it to be morally wrong. Despite whatever people believe to be the case (ie homosexuality being perfectly natural or deviant) it is not how kids are created therefor it is not the benchmark environment that children should be put into.

Yes kids get abused by people straight or gay and that will never change. But we should not be placing children into an environment that they then believe to be the norm. Despite the number of celebrities and non-celebs (a la Big Brother) who sway the public opinion that homosexuality is normal; it never will be normal for a child to be brought up in that environment, loving or not. Gay couples (including lesbians if true to their sexuality) cannot physically have children. They should accept this and live their lives in the way that they have chosen/ were born* to live.


*depending on whether you believe homosexuality to be something you are born into or choose or develop as you grow up.
 
#13
Moodybitch said:
Photos of naked 8 year old??!! Fcuk off mate, when kids are toddlers then yes, i have some when my son was a toddler, BUT 8?
Sorry, I don't buy it. Kids are kids as far as I am concerned, and photos of toddlers could be as innocent or as dodgy as photos of 8 year olds. Adolescents are a different story, of course.

Oh, and please don't tell me to fcuk off, when as far as I'm aware I've said nothing against you, simply entering into a debate. Ta.

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#14
So, Horridlittleman (name seems quite fitting) ignoring the human righst yo uhave failed to take into account ie art 14 Freedom from discrimination, what do you suggest to do with all the children in care when there aren't enough straight foster parents to look after them?

IMHO people who choose to be biggots or even if they are born that way, should not be allowed to have children, that isn't exactly a great way to bring up a child either.

Again, this isn't a perfect world, not all children can be part of the generic mother, father family. Would you really stop them from going to a loving family and stay in care homes just because the fosterers happen to be gay.

Would you also deny a single person, who could offer a loving home that they would never have, just because there isn't another parent of the opposite sex?
 
#15
Social services often seek to place children in ‘culturally appropriate’ homes. Black families, for example, are preferred for black children because they are deemed to have more of a common cultural background.

If that is accepted practice then why, assuming a child is straight, is it all right to place him or her in a home where the environment/lifestyle is so different? Doesn’t that constitute a ‘culturally inappropriate’ placement?

Just a thought.
 
#16
Lucky_Jim said:
Social services often seek to place children in ‘culturally appropriate’ homes. Black families, for example, are preferred for black children because they are deemed to have more of a common cultural background.

If that is accepted practice then why, assuming a child is straight, is it all right to place him or her in a home where the environment/lifestyle is so different? Doesn’t that constitute a ‘culturally inappropriate’ placement?

Just a thought.
On that point, how many openly gay children are there anyway?
 
#17
jest265 said:
So what you are saying is that a child should be kept in childrens homes and passed from pillar to post rather than go to a loving family just because they are gay? In a perfect world, yes every child should have a mother and father but this isn't a perfect world. Are you saying that every single parent should also lose their children because there isn't a mother and a father because one has run off.

It is this kind of biggoted mentality that means so many children miss out on a loving home.

I agree with you on the profiling Tiger but it should not matter if somebody is gay or not.

as Guru kindly pointed out many straight foster parents abuse children aswell, it has nothing to do with their sexuality.

Not saying the abuse is down to their sexuality at all nor that being gay is an excuse for discrimination, however, no matter how much a couple want a child the most important consideration should be the welfare of the child. I don't think they portray an image suitable for young children to deal with nor should be exposed to.

Children have enough to deal with without forcing alternative living issues into their lives. I can understand if it were a parent who switched or close friends adopting when there is nobody else, but complete strangers who are gay fostering a child who is unused to this, to me, seems wrong... a complete change in family is traumatic enough without a complete change in beliefs and understandings.
 
#18
Lucky_Jim said:
Social services often seek to place children in ‘culturally appropriate’ homes. Black families, for example, are preferred for black children because they are deemed to have more of a common cultural background.

If that is accepted practice then why, assuming a child is straight, is it all right to place him or her in a home where the environment/lifestyle is so different? Doesn’t that constitute a ‘culturally inappropriate’ placement?

Just a thought.
At 8 years old I'd be surprised if they had even considered their sexuality!
 
#19
tigerbaby said:
jest265 said:
So what you are saying is that a child should be kept in childrens homes and passed from pillar to post rather than go to a loving family just because they are gay? In a perfect world, yes every child should have a mother and father but this isn't a perfect world. Are you saying that every single parent should also lose their children because there isn't a mother and a father because one has run off.

It is this kind of biggoted mentality that means so many children miss out on a loving home.

I agree with you on the profiling Tiger but it should not matter if somebody is gay or not.

as Guru kindly pointed out many straight foster parents abuse children aswell, it has nothing to do with their sexuality.

Not saying the abuse is down to their sexuality at all nor that being gay is an excuse for discrimination, however, no matter how much a couple want a child the most important consideration should be the welfare of the child. I don't think they portray an image suitable for young children to deal with nor should be exposed to.

Children have enough to deal with without forcing alternative living issues into their lives. I can understand if it were a parent who switched or close friends adopting when there is nobody else, but complete strangers who are gay fostering a child who is unused to this, to me, seems wrong... a complete change in family is traumatic enough without a complete change in beliefs and understandings.
Who is to say what these childs beliefs are? Shouldn't we also be encouraging children to be open minded. Say for instance a child urgently needs foster care but the only family able to take them at that time is black and the child is white. Maybe they shouldn't go to this family because they may be racist and that would mean they had to change their beliefs.

Pull the other one. If anything putting a child with a gay couple would only encourage them to be more open minded and non discriminatory against people because they are different to 'the norm'
 
#20
Every child deserves the right to have the best start in life. This comes from having a stable family who can provide it with the love and facilities that it requires to develop. A mother and father is obviously the preferred option, as that is what millions of years of evolution has meant for us.

Relationships break down due to unforseen circumstances and single parent families are increasingly common, but with support can also provide a stable background.

However, there is nothing unforseen about a man inserting his penis into another man's anus. Once they decide to go down that route they have declared that they are not interested in reproduction and the social services/fostering agencies should take note.

Clearly not all gays are child abusers, however I do not believe that they can provide the 'normal' environment that children need. In fact, I find the thought of children being brought up in the artificial environment of same sex partnerships abhorrent.
 

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