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Buff Hoons evidence to Iraq Inquiry

#1
Well he has been waffling for about 5 hours.

He has sloped shoulders on the WMD 45 minute claim.

Said that defence was underfunded and he wanted/asked for more - anyone recollect him saying that while in office or since?

He has admitted the decision to go to war needed to be made in Oct and says he told Tony so. Dropping Tony in it for next week - nice.

Blaimed failings on post-war planning on DFID and questioned Clare Short's abilities and decision making.

Starting to get flustered about UORs despite pretty tame questioning.

Live on BBC News now
 
#2
Herrumph said:
He has admitted the decision to go to war needed to be made in Oct and says he told Tony so. Dropping Tony in it for next week - nice.
Just because he was the worst SoS in the undistinguished history of the role doesn't mean he hasn't got the one key skill of the modern politician - careful placement of the knife ...
 
#3
I keep wondering how Peter Capaldis character (Malcolm Tucker) would handle the Iraq Inquiry.

Suspect it'd be the only inquiry in which there'd be a finger hovering over the beep button!
 
#4
"Just because he was the worst SoS in the undistinguished history of the role doesn't mean he hasn't got the one key skill of the modern politician - careful placement of the knife ..."

Well he certainly has had some practise recently, only he forgot to sharpen the knife. Better luck next time.

The man is a complete cnut.
 
#5
Sounds like he's trying absolve himself of any blame for anything so far. Haven't heard him say anything that we didn't already know either, but haven't been listening too closely.
 
#6
Bet he wishes now that he had staged a military coup, using underfunding as the excuse. He could still be in power. As things are, he will get some of the blame instead. It might not bother him though, as he appears to be near the end of his (elected) political career anyway, along with the rest of the government.
 

seaweed

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
I would like to see Hoon directly and publicly challenged on the those deaths of servicemen which were due to inadequate or non-available equipment. Like the guy who had to give up his body armour because there wasn't enough to go round.
 
#8
seaweed said:
I would like to see Hoon directly and publicly challenged on the those deaths of servicemen which were due to inadequate or non-available equipment. Like the guy who had to give up his body armour because there wasn't enough to go round.
He was and started to blame the gunner who killed the Sergeant without body armour you reference, suggesting he didn't understand the workings of a GPMG. That is before one of the enquiry members gave him the chance to row back on it.

According to TCH, CBA with kevlar inserts wasn't even issued prior to Telic so I must have been dreaming wearing that as I wasn't even in Iraq.

Oh, and there is no shelf life on NBC kit either.

If there had been someone who'd worn a uniform on that panel he would have been shredded.
 
#9
Someone in the "Logistic Organisation" also said they didn't need the second tranche of CBA as well - he couldn't remember exactly who it was, probably the tea-lady!

He did, as predicted. stick knife into Gordo by stating that it was Treasury driven cuts that led to current lack of helicopters in Afghanistan.
 
#11
Geoff Hoon to the Iraq Inquiry 19 January 2010, complaining about Gordon not giving him enough money ahead of the Iraq War.

"There were certainly complaints about desert combats. Quite a lot of soldiers went into action in green combats and they didn’t like it. Some soldiers did not have the right boots."

Geoff Hoon to the Defence Select Committee 14 May 2003 complaining about newspapers publishing stories about how many soldiers did not have desert combats or desert boots.

"All the requisite numbers of boots and clothing and equipment were there... I am still waiting to see any signs of apology from either individual journalists or from their editors."

Wait on you lying piece of ****
 
#12
The whole thing strikes me as a waste of time, what will be the outcome? Sweet fukc all will come of it, In general terms you cannot ask the enemy to wait while you get the right kit, justification, help whatever! You go with what you have got based on the best intelligence available, the other stuff just evolves with need. I just can't help thinking that the money spent on something more pressing.i
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
Book Reviewer
#13
Didn't he fall asleep during a breifing at Shiba whilst out on a visit?
Wonder if he actually dreamed that everything was all right with the kit and everything else

He'll blame Brown it's his big chance to really get the knife in and twist it
 
#15
Without swinging the lamp.

kevlar insert readily available in Bosnia , pre 2000 .
Had to pass my kevlar plate down the line once into AoOPS ,
my boots were courtesy of a newspaper appeal .
never got issued any desert cam .
and my truck never got a new spray job . I learnt to smell A10 .s from 50 mile away

why didnt they say the government was skint , instead of its on a cargo ship on its way .

wasnt the exercise in Oman. in 2001 , the build up for this invasion .

this is not a gripe just stating a few personal observations .
 
#16
Herrumph said:
Someone in the "Logistic Organisation" also said they didn't need the second tranche of CBA as well - he couldn't remember exactly who it was, probably the tea-lady!
Other than TCH's face on the plasma screen in reception and seeing snippets of the BBC banner, haven't seen and listened to the whole broadcast, so the following is on that basis.

Herrumph's post quoted above, is as good a place as any to follow-up.

Now being that this is ARRSE, the following really should be taken as complete rumour and conjecture (t'is the t'internet after all). So, in real-life I probably am called Trevor and drive a truck for a living, and have never been anything remotely "green" in my life. On the other hand, let's just for the purpose of this post, go with the "I was a Sgt Major of 17yrs service, deployed with 1 (UK) DIV on OP TELIC and just happened to be in the right place at the right time to comment."

Agreed entirely Straight Jacket btw, re the "If there had been someone who'd worn a uniform on that panel he would have been shredded." comment.

So;

CBA comment "no requirement for second tranch"

-- During the first 10 days of TELIC, I was required to make near daily formal requests through the US ARMY LO, to request additional body armour. These requests were for amounts ranging from a minimum of 1,000 to 2,500. Funnily enough, the sort of stuff you write up, in your war diary.

Remember the "borrowers" tag. It was apt. And to be fair to the US Army (where body armour shortages were not a problem), they obliged as quickly and efficiently as their LOG COMD allowed them too.

Were it not for this US "sponsoring" of essential kit, BRITFOR casualties would without doubt have been higher, given the risks that were having to be taken in order to function at a basic level with little or no protection. So thanks, and big up to the dudes in the US DoD who take this shit seriously.

As commented above in relation the death of Sgt Steven Roberts RTR, Steve was one of any number of soldiers who were effectively having to share body-armour with other units. His death, and the inquest is well documented elsewhere on ARRSE, and personally I find Hoon's comments around body armour obscene, given that Steve and others paid the ultimate price, or were badly injured as a result of this critical deficiency.
 
#17
Bernster said:
The whole thing strikes me as a waste of time, what will be the outcome? Sweet fukc all will come of it, In general terms you cannot ask the enemy to wait while you get the right kit, justification, help whatever! You go with what you have got based on the best intelligence available, the other stuff just evolves with need. I just can't help thinking that the money spent on something more pressing.i
Totally agree it is likely to be a waste of time, expense and effort. It seems to be friendly forces mildly interrogating their own side, as opposed to a full bloodied, under oath enquiry to wring out the truth. Perhaps the money would have been better wasted on an enquiry into Bloody Sunday or something similar? Oh, wait a minute...... :x
 
#20
Broon is still not scheduled to appear until after the election so as to not detract from the impending election campaign.

T Blair of course will appear next week so we can reasonably expect him to try and deflect attention and blame. He is a pretty slick operator so rather than get bogged down in legalities and dodgy dossiers he might want to shift the attention onto someone he really doesn't like. A former difficult neighbour with deep pockets and short arms might be just the solution. A veritable shitstorm about current helicopters might be just the ticket.
 

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