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Bruin - One for us geriatrics / veterans over 50

#1
Back in the day ...... what now seems prehistoric times I never paid much attention to the Bruin wagons we had at the Brigade Signal Squadron I was at in the late 70's.

Thing is I'm a bit of a '430 series nut and now looking for any photo's anyone may have of the Radio Relay, Message Centre and Auto Exchange vehicles (ie FV439) from the ancient Bruin system. I know the Message Centre as a seperate entity disappeared under Ptarmigan but I'm curious to know if the Radio Delay vehicles changed much ?
 
#2
How I loved my Tev. My 20 line exchange in the front with a rack of 200's and the back half full of teleprinters and brew bitches.
 
#3
Dunno about tracked Bruin dets, as my Bruin time was at 21. We had a few 6 Channels, an Auto 64, an Auto 40, Tech Con ans Message Centre (Massage Parlour) alongside a handful of C70 dets. I was in 2 Sqn (Harrier Support). 1 (REMF) Sqn had C50s and 40/160 dets. 7 and 22 had TARIF dets too.

One correction, Ptarmigan did retain Message Centres. Not only was there SAS/MC for Bde level access, there were also Message Centre (Large), which were full box B Staff vehicles chockers with Trend printers (and how **** were they ?)
 
#4
Weren't they going to mix teh Trend with the Cossor at one point?

Re Relays. IIRC wasn't the Ptarmigan Boxes just Bruin Relay boxes? That is why they had that little door at the rear to allow your tv aerial out. Wasn't Triffid used in Bruin too?

And (CMIW) wasn't Bruin one of the first attempt at COTS?
 
#5
My bad. I meant Cossor. They really were shite. They got binned from MCL and replaced with Trend which weren't that bad.

Triffid was used in Bruin. They went away to get modded and got fitted with TACE SEOW etc. The flap at the back was for a field telling bone.
 
#6
Triffid was used in Bruin. They went away to get modded and got fitted with TACE SEOW etc. The flap at the back was for a field telling bone.
Are you sure? The size of it you could pass the whole phone through!!! I was told it was to pass the RF cables thorugh, in the days before TACE.

Used to see lots of Triffid with bruin plates on, others had 'modded for ptarmigan' or similar plates attached. Not sure what the difference was.
 
#7
My bad. I meant Cossor. They really were shite. They got binned from MCL and replaced with Trend which weren't that bad.

Triffid was used in Bruin. They went away to get modded and got fitted with TACE SEOW etc. The flap at the back was for a field telling bone.
Whoever signed off the Cossor printer as fit for service should have been taken out and had an earthspike rammed in orifices, repeatedly. Biggest load of tosh I ever had the misfortune to use.
 
#8
At 1 Div rear we had an MCVF with an Ericson 25-line cordless, T50s, sometimes souped to T75, with inter-city shots to main and step-up. I started with the 10KVA gennies and once had a 27 1/2 KVA before I realized that being a handbag was so much easier, and drier. Ah.... real comms, hard work, long exercises, sh1t conditions, but what a great bunch of guys, some of us whom keep in touch 30 years down the line. I'll have to look in my B & W photo album.
 
#10
Wasn't the Cossor printer the one with the "tempest" problem when initially tested at Trials Troop? IIRC they cured the issue by encasing all the working innards with some form of heavy (lead?) shield. I recall it was a bastard to fit inside a 432 when it was ultimately issued!
 
#11
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the nickname "Tossor" :) An utter bag of cack.

Mind you, by the standards of today, so was the Trend. But at the time it was the DBs.

The sweet sound of carrier on the ATR switched to TX (with local record), the other bit of kit making its initial noise, then the magic of "TX RUN" c/w red LED in the button.

ZBZ 5 AR
Prefered a 322/321 dual fit and duplex working.
 
#14
I too was at 1 Inf Bde late 80's early 90's working bruin. It was so old that the only people we could work with on Ex were ourselves. Also ptarmigan skill fade kicked in which was a bitch when we were dragged out to the gulf on Op Granby and stuck in either a central or SAS MC!
 
#15
I did 6 years at 1 Div (1970 to 1976) in 3 Squadron. Was a one of the techs operating wheeled Auto 40's, bags of space to live and operate.

I remember being lent to 7 Armd Bde Sig Sqn to help prepare their tracked Auto 20's for a Bruin inspection. I didn't envy their techs one bit, fault finding was a 'mare' and I got more shocks, whilst lying along the wiring looms with my back pressed against the vehicle bodywork, than I ever got during my 6 six years on an Auto 40...lol
 
#16
I did 6 years at 1 Div (1970 to 1976) in 3 Squadron. Was a one of the techs operating wheeled Auto 40's, bags of space to live and operate.

I remember being lent to 7 Armd Bde Sig Sqn to help prepare their tracked Auto 20's for a Bruin inspection. I didn't envy their techs one bit, fault finding was a 'mare' and I got more shocks, whilst lying along the wiring looms with my back pressed against the vehicle bodywork, than I ever got during my 6 six years on an Auto 40...lol
There was not much room in the old 1 ton Austin with a couple of banks of C41/R222 and CST1+4 no3 but we survived, then they invented that Fish Fryer towed behind a Landy, result, no room at all. When Bruin came in we had so much room in those C70 and C50 Det's Bedfords we used to have party's!. Never mind,they gave us a decent rifle in those days not a bleeding mouse gun!.:eye:
 
#17
There was not much room in the old 1 ton Austin with a couple of banks of C41/R222 and CST1+4 no3 but we survived, then they invented that Fish Fryer towed behind a Landy, result, no room at all. When Bruin came in we had so much room in those C70 and C50 Det's Bedfords we used to have party's!. Never mind,they gave us a decent rifle in those days not a bleeding mouse gun!.:eye:
happy memories of E Tp 3 Sqn 1 ARMDDIVSIGREGT, the old FAMTO wagon, a bull-nosed Morris, and my old MCVF RL (01ET19) which was a bum to start. Techs stocking up the wog-box, the curries, the TV, then the odd tech screwdriver. Then the RR wagons all lined up on square for deployment. Rear ECH, last as usual, a rag-tag of strange individuals, handbags, RR ops, techs, occasionally a good chef, Mo Crabtree and his SQMS palace. I remember the Tp OC who went on to be a brigadier and went to his leaving do. Happy days,
 
#18
happy memories of E Tp 3 Sqn 1 ARMDDIVSIGREGT, the old FAMTO wagon, a bull-nosed Morris, and my old MCVF RL (01ET19) which was a bum to start. Techs stocking up the wog-box, the curries, the TV, then the odd tech screwdriver. Then the RR wagons all lined up on square for deployment. Rear ECH, last as usual, a rag-tag of strange individuals, handbags, RR ops, techs, occasionally a good chef, Mo Crabtree and his SQMS palace. I remember the Tp OC who went on to be a brigadier and went to his leaving do. Happy days,
Now i'm stretching my memory but that ET veh no brought back 01ET01 C50, 01ET03 C50, 01ET30 c50, 04FJ66 C70, 04FJ93 c70, all I can recall today but I still remember 93BN93 and 93BN67 a couple of C41/R222 dets I was on just after the Romans left 4 DIV in Herford. Great times with a great bunch of lads.
 
#19
then they invented that Fish Fryer towed behind a Landy, result, no room at all.
Sorry, but I don't agree.

With both Penthouses up, you could both live and kip in the Set side and use the Fan
side as storage/cooking.

I will agree that unless you had a good Crew,they were a twat to put up but those
P/houses were the best I ever used.

We kept the same crew in 260, my crew was 'The N****R' aka A* M***, we both
did a side each and it was up and blacked out in less than 10mins.

We never used Erection Gear(not carried) as we could easily put up a 9 sect. on
our own, practise makes perfect!
I loved the C41, the only drawback was finding the DBP Pick-up in the dark.
 
#20
Sorry, but I don't agree.

With both Penthouses up, you could both live and kip in the Set side and use the Fan
side as storage/cooking.

I will agree that unless you had a good Crew,they were a twat to put up but those
P/houses were the best I ever used.

We kept the same crew in 260, my crew was 'The N****R' aka A* M***, we both
did a side each and it was up and blacked out in less than 10mins.

We never used Erection Gear(not carried) as we could easily put up a 9 sect. on
our own, practise makes perfect!
I loved the C41, the only drawback was finding the DBP Pick-up in the dark.
OOOps sorry I meant no room for the gear, creature comforts came pretty low on the list, plus I never needed any kit for an erection!. Mind you I was in my 20s then, whole diifferent story these day,s.......
 

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