Browns plastic patriotism.

#1
How very true....

It is bad enough to be lectured about patriotism by a government that has been so feeble about standing up for British interests, vis-à-vis Brussels. What is even worse is to be hectored by a prime minister who is presiding over a massive aggrandisement in the state's power over the citizen, and who dares to wrap this aggrandisement in the Union flag.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/07/18/do1805.xml

I was going to start another thread about the news yesterday that the plod are getting easy, easy access to all those cameras that are busy spying on us every minute of every day, but having found that above, I think it all ties together quite nicely.

For the first time in my life I am seriously, very seriously, thinking of emigrating with the family Awol. Not because of the chavs, and not because of the crime; not even because one is hard pressed these days to find a green field that hasn't been built on, but simply because I don't want my kids growing up in what is now a surveillance society. I want the right and the privacy to walk down the street and to adjust my b0llocks through my jeans or to pick my nose or to do any one of a dozen personal and embarrassing things safe in the knowledge that there isn't a half-wit monitor-monitor giggling at me forty miles away in some 'operations room'.

And I'm not going to get that here anymore.
 
#2
Awol said:
How very true....

It is bad enough to be lectured about patriotism by a government that has been so feeble about standing up for British interests, vis-à-vis Brussels. What is even worse is to be hectored by a prime minister who is presiding over a massive aggrandisement in the state's power over the citizen, and who dares to wrap this aggrandisement in the Union flag.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/07/18/do1805.xml

I was going to start another thread about the news yesterday that the plod are getting easy, easy access to all those cameras that are busy spying on us every minute of every day, but having found that above, I think it all ties together quite nicely.

For the first time in my life I am seriously, very seriously, thinking of emigrating with the family Awol. Not because of the chavs, and not because of the crime; not even because one is hard pressed these days to find a green field that hasn't been built on, but simply because I don't want my kids growing up in what is now a surveillance society. I want the right and the privacy to walk down the street and to adjust my b0llocks through my jeans or to pick my nose or to do any one of a dozen personal and embarrassing things safe in the knowledge that there isn't a half-wit monitor-monitor giggling at me forty miles away in some 'operations room'.

And I'm not going to get that here anymore.
Come north, Absent One, come north
 

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#3
Where would you go though Awol? Very few places indeed nowadays that don't have invasive 24hr CCTV and so on.

Not sure you'd get the freedom to avoid the surveillance society anywhere at this point in time, especially if you went down the time-honoured Brit route of US/NZ/Australia/Canada.
 
#4
Sven said:
Awol said:
How very true....

It is bad enough to be lectured about patriotism by a government that has been so feeble about standing up for British interests, vis-à-vis Brussels. What is even worse is to be hectored by a prime minister who is presiding over a massive aggrandisement in the state's power over the citizen, and who dares to wrap this aggrandisement in the Union flag.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/07/18/do1805.xml

I was going to start another thread about the news yesterday that the plod are getting easy, easy access to all those cameras that are busy spying on us every minute of every day, but having found that above, I think it all ties together quite nicely.

For the first time in my life I am seriously, very seriously, thinking of emigrating with the family Awol. Not because of the chavs, and not because of the crime; not even because one is hard pressed these days to find a green field that hasn't been built on, but simply because I don't want my kids growing up in what is now a surveillance society. I want the right and the privacy to walk down the street and to adjust my b0llocks through my jeans or to pick my nose or to do any one of a dozen personal and embarrassing things safe in the knowledge that there isn't a half-wit monitor-monitor giggling at me forty miles away in some 'operations room'.

And I'm not going to get that here anymore.
Come north, Absent One, come north
Got room for another one Sven? Though I am seriously thinking of heading West to my ancestral sod!!
Trouble is Ireland so damn expensive now lol
 
#5
What bugs me is the way CCTV is used. In the past, records were kept and it was used to help identify suspects after terror attacks, bank robberies or abductions. Nowadays, it's monitored 24/7 by an operator who's looking for people dropping litter or p*ssing in alleyways.

The cameras being introduced now have speakers fitted so the operators can actually tell you to pick up your litter. It's a lot like having your own personal "thought-policeman" looking over your shoulder all the time. How long before there are fines for swearing in public?
 
#6
Sixty said:
Where would you go though Awol? Very few places indeed nowadays that don't have invasive 24hr CCTV and so on.

Not sure you'd get the freedom to avoid the surveillance society anywhere at this point in time, especially if you went down the time-honoured Brit route of US/NZ/Australia/Canada.
Canada mate. Have looked into it in some depth and, touch wood, it's looking positive. The only fly in the ointment is the possible time it would take for the application, up to three years apparently, although if anyone has recent experience, I'd appreciate a PM.

Sure there's cctv in every country, but I just can't imagine that small town Canada has them on every corner like we do here now.

Anyway, I'm gonna go survivalist and live in the woods, eating rabbits and small children... :)
 
#7
RFUK said:
What bugs me is the way CCTV is used. In the past, records were kept and it was used to help identify suspects after terror attacks, bank robberies or abductions. Nowadays, it's monitored 24/7 by an operator who's looking for people dropping litter or p*ssing in alleyways.

The cameras being introduced now have speakers fitted so the operators can actually tell you to pick up your litter. It's a lot like having your own personal "thought-policeman" looking over your shoulder all the time. How long before there are fines for swearing in public?
I was in Plymouth the other day and I heard a loudspeaker say to some smoker "this is devon and cornwall police on CCTV, please refrain from smoking in the shop doorway"

I couldn't help but giggle at the time at the jobsworth copper, but the more I thought about it the angrier I got.
 
#8
We have 2 CCTV cameras in Skipton, both in the High Street and are so ineffectual that when Threshers was broken into a couple of years ago the police asked for witnesses because the cameras hadn't picked it up :roll:

Therefore one can adjust ones bollox with impunity
 
#9
You wouldn't like it here then Bugly, we have the largest asian community in North Yorkshire - and very nice people they are too.
 

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#11
Awol said:
Sixty said:
Where would you go though Awol? Very few places indeed nowadays that don't have invasive 24hr CCTV and so on.

Not sure you'd get the freedom to avoid the surveillance society anywhere at this point in time, especially if you went down the time-honoured Brit route of US/NZ/Australia/Canada.
Canada mate. Have looked into it in some depth and, touch wood, it's looking positive. The only fly in the ointment is the possible time it would take for the application, up to three years apparently, although if anyone has recent experience, I'd appreciate a PM.

Sure there's cctv in every country, but I just can't imagine that small town Canada has them on every corner like we do here now.

Anyway, I'm gonna go survivalist and live in the woods, eating rabbits and small children... :)

Pretty much my favourite place in the world. My sister works over there just now but she's temporary rather than permanent. It took about 2 months to get the green light.

I understand that the permanent visa is a lot more complex though.
 
#12
Awol said:
I want the right and the privacy to walk down the street and to adjust my b0llocks through my jeans or to pick my nose or to do any one of a dozen personal and embarrassing things safe in the knowledge that there isn't a half-wit monitor-monitor giggling at me forty miles away in some 'operations room'.
Don't worry Awol. Your dangly bits are of no interest to CCTV operators. They are professionals and, as such, they are more interested in attractive women indecently exposing themselves inside their own bedrooms and toilets. LINK

As the video below shows, our new Prime Minister will defend the rights of nose pickers everywhere.

VIDEO - CCTV is everywhere
 

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#13
The Ruskies claimed (rightly) that the British people were the most watched in the world, even more so than Ruskies. They said this DURING the cold war. It's only got worse since, especially since we are some of the least revolutionary people going!!

Time to revolt about this revolting situation . . . er, maybe not eh? That would be inciting revolt, which, though not revolting as an idea, could land me in hot water and would bring heat also to this venerable forum. So, no, don't start an armed (or not) insurrection.
 
#14
We have one camera for every fourteen people, and more than the rest of Europe put together (that's 750 million people). If they can all manage without them, I'm sure we can.
 

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#15
Sven said:
You wouldn't like it here then Bugly, we have the largest asian community in North Yorkshire - and very nice people they are too.
Great market stalls they run in Skipton as well.
Plenty of bargains. :D
 
#17
And once we have ID cards, we will have to swipe them to cash a cheque, visit the doctor, hire a video, talk to gov't depts, renew passports/visas, prove to plod who you are.

How long before all this is then fed into the Counter-terrorist police? From there to tax office, social security, insurance companies, identity-thieves.com?

Think it is far fetched? Last year DVLA sold thousands of private details to Insurance companies and motoring organisations. Trust them --- No
 
#18
Awol,


India is your only hope!

Even if you chuck a bomb in broad daylight, no one will bother to run after you and even if you are caught, our human rights guys will ensure that the Courts can't touch you! :)
 
#19
And don't forget the NHS "spine" which will link all surgeries, hospitals, clinics etc and upload all your medical information so it can be accessed by government departments. Just imagine when this information is passed to insurance companies etc. You can stop your medical information going onto this system by contacting your surgery and telling them you don't want your information to be held on this system. They then have a duty not to share it except with your permission, eg when being referred to a consultant.
Forget the bullshine the government comes out with by saying only medical personnel will have access to the records. Anyone working in a medical environment will have access to it and look at their record of DVLA held information. Wouldn't trust em an inch.
 
#20
Herrumph said:
And once we have ID cards, we will have to swipe them to cash a cheque, visit the doctor, hire a video, talk to gov't depts, renew passports/visas, prove to plod who you are.

How long before all this is then fed into the Counter-terrorist police? From there to tax office, social security, insurance companies, identity-thieves.com?

Think it is far fetched? Last year DVLA sold thousands of private details to Insurance companies and motoring organisations. Trust them --- No
as you say, the id card will be essential for your every day life, without it you will be 'fcuked', no bank facilities, no job, no medical care.... to top it all off, currently, the home secretary can take this essential card off you without judicial oversight. so, speak out against the ruling party, and you will be 'fcuked'. you will basically cease to be a citizen. now that will be governmental power over the people. I have satated bofore on arrse of my intention to consult with a solicitor if the ID card scheme looks like it will come into force, to discuss options for civil dis-obedience. The ID card scheme is the 'line in the sand' as far as I am concerned, it is a threat to me physically, to my identity, to my freedom, my privacy and to democracy, and it will be the right and proper time for civil dis-obedience.

Ski.

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