Browns Biggest Failure Was the Welfare State

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Browns biggest failure "WAS" the welfare state...Should that not read IS? He is currently still in the process of destroying the system as we speak. His disgraceful tenure as PM, will be judged when he and his cronies are ousted at the next general election...The problem is that there really isn't an alternative. Does anyone really believe that a Tory government will do any better? Or that a Lib Dems (stop laughing) have a chance of ever seeing government again?

I can't see a viable option on the horizon, and that is a major concern and just the way Brown wants it to stay :x
 
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TalaveraTom said:
Browns biggest failure "WAS" the welfare state...Should that not read IS? :x
Fair point. It must have been my overwhelming urge to only think of him in the past tense.
 

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With so many big failures to choose from, I would need to spend the rest of the week cross-referencing before I could agree.....
 
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I've had said the Welfare State was Tony Bliar's worst political mistake ever. At a time when Neu Labour had the political support to start true reform, He completely and utterly bottled it, like a gutless little wannbe...
 
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Mr_Deputy said:
It could be argued that BRITAINS biggest mistake was the welfare state. Its only benefitted the worst people from around the world and in many cases its no real benefit to them either.
It still is the biggest mistake and needs major root and branch reform, support those are do require help and get those the scroungers off it ASAP
 
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100% with you on that Mr D. Our generous welfare state is the root of many other problems. Whoever eventually decides to tackle it will come in for alot of flak. I always thought that Frank Field knew what he was doing which is why he didn't last long under the Emperor.
 
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The fundamental problem is that the welfare state, and the NHS, are un-reformable because even where the public acknowledges that there is a problem, they refuse to accept any of the solutions. Trying to change anything is political suicide.

Sodding democracy... ;)
 
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The problem with the "welfare state" isn't its generosity, the problem is that those that know how to exploit the system get a good bit of cash (and other benefits such as rushed to the head of housing queues, etc.) while those that have no clue get pushed under by bureaucrats who see them as easy targets. A good few ex-squaddies fall into this trap when they leave, they get ground under by a system that just doesn't care.
 
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The biggest mistake of all has been the policy of Labour to promote the incompetent. They do it in the party, they do it in government and the push the idea amongst the public too. If you are incompetent, it's someone elses fault, so you still deserve to get what is 'your due'.

The failure to sort out the welfare state and reduce the numbers of welfare 'lifers' is Gordon Brown's fault, and Gordon Brown is Labour's fault.
 
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Brown is by definition a failure.
 
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Well put it this way ....

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel "pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the promised land."

Nearly 60 years ago, Aneurin "Nye" Bevan said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the promised land."

Now Cameron has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels, and mortgaged the promised land!

Furthermore, I was so depressed last night thinking about this fake recession and all the bullshit health care plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, diminished savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Samaritans, the suicide help line. Got a call center in Pakistan . I told them I was suicidal.

They all got excited and asked if I could drive a truck. . :)
 
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Brown turned the welfare system from a safety net into a mechanism for wealth redistribution. Hence you have people on minimum wage being taxed to subsidise those on six figure incomes. Nice.

He had considerable success. By 2010, just over half of all adults derived most of their income from the government, either because they worked for the government or because they were welfare dependent. Of course, they'd all vote Labour until the day they died, or so Gordon assumed.

It all went horribly wrong in 2010 when Labour were handed the second worst defeat in the party's history, despite Gordon's largesse. We do have to thank him though for chucking his toys out of the pram and blocking a Lib/Lab coalition because the Liberals wouldn't let him continue as Prime Minister.

I wonder if Gordon will have the cheek to stand for election again.
 
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Brown turned the welfare system from a safety net into a mechanism for wealth redistribution. Hence you have people on minimum wage being taxed to subsidise those on six figure incomes.
Absolutely spot on.

Happily, keeping us out of the Euro co-incided with his bitter hatred of Blair. Not that I'm ever going to thank him for it because if it had been in his personal interest to do so he would have marched us straight in.

Mind you, there's nothing new under the sun. The Victorians had massive ructions with the Poor Law and the relief given being greater than the wages for the lowest paid jobs.
 
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Well put it this way ....

Over five thousand years ago, Moses said to the children of Israel "pick up your shovel, mount your asses and camels, and I will lead you to the promised land."

Nearly 60 years ago, Aneurin "Nye" Bevan said, "Lay down your shovels, sit on your asses, and light up a Camel, this is the promised land."

Now Cameron has stolen your shovel, taxed your asses, raised the price of Camels, and mortgaged the promised land!

Furthermore, I was so depressed last night thinking about this fake recession and all the bullshit health care plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, diminished savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc., I called the Samaritans, the suicide help line. Got a call center in Pakistan . I told them I was suicidal.

They all got excited and asked if I could drive a truck. . :)
I know you have an adoring support for the two traitorous fuckwits and the party they are in that tried to destroy Britain, but do you have to dig out very old threads? On top of that, how is it you cannot see what damage they did to the UK? It is going to take decades to sort their mess out....and some of the shit they did can't be sorted out.
 
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I detested Blair from the day I saw him.
I though Brown was a guy with a future when he repaid UK's WW II debt to the States to save the large repayments.
Then Socialism reared it's ugly head.
I have watched UK decline since my youth, now I live in a growing, go ahead part of the world where folk either work or fail.

john
 
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