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Brown to deport foreign criminals, is it too little too late

#1
Gordon Brown has pledged to get "tougher" on law and order issues by deporting 4,000 foreign criminals by the end of the year.

The number is double the previous target and should help ease pressure on overcrowded prisons, according to the Prime Minister.

Mr Brown told the Sun: "We are going to take a far tougher line. I want a message to go out - if you come here you work and you learn our language.

"If you commit a crime you will be deported. You play by the rules or you face the consequences."

The PM also insisted the Government would not "shirk" from building more prisons in order to tackle the space crisis.

There was widespread anger last year when it emerged that more than a thousand foreign offenders had been released without being considered for deportation.

The furore eventually claimed the job of former Home Secretary Charles Clarke.

Only around 200 of those offenders have now been ejected from the country, while some 150 are yet to be traced.

Official figures issued in May showed that 15% of the 80,000-strong prison population were foreign nationals, and keeping them locked up was costing the British taxpayer more than £398 million a year.
is it too little too late?
people have been saying this should happen for many years, but the gov hasn't done anything about it.

brown taking a tough line on this is far from the blair years, i dont think the comment "We are going to take a far tougher line. I want a message to go out - if you come here you work and you learn our language. If you commit a crime you will be deported. You play by the rules or you face the consequences." would have come out of blair back in the day.

i feel this is the right way, but i feel that the age old argument that if they claim that they will be killed in their country, then the human rights act stops us from deporting them? if each of the 4,000 claim that, how many will realy be deported?

a few weeks back, i was listening to Jon Gaunt on TalkSport, and he said (not a exact quote) "we need to bin the human rights act, it only helps foreign criminals and terrorist by stopping us from deporting them on the ground that they fear from their life. what about our human right not to live in fear of being blown up every day? if you come to this country, you live by our law or you get deported, thats what the law should be" (he alsy had something along those lines in column in the Sun, at first i wasnt sure but with recent terrorist being jailed here (when they would be executed in their country. meaning we cant deport them) maybe it is time to, maybe not bin, but amend the human rights act so that foreign criminals can be deported with out spending one day in a british prision? if they know that they will 100% be deported back to their country, then they might not become criminals, so then there would be less foreign nationals committing crime?
 
#2
4000 eh? that'll leave a couple of hundred thousand still here.

Bet it doesn't work. 'Cyclops' Brown can only spout numbers and so called statistics.
 
#3
unless gordon can sort out the immigration service its been a mess since the 1980s at least.
then what do we do with somali's etc gits from states that don't really function
 
#4
Never happen. Just another "Look at the size of mine!" soundbite. As soon as they try to put it into practice, the Human Rights brigrade will sh1t on them from a great height, and the whole idea will be quietly buried.

About as believable as Tough on Crime, Tough on the causes of Crime.

Anyone remember how that one turned out?
 
#5
I think it's too litte, too late. 4000 is a drop in the ocean and once the human rights lawyers get in on the act the numbers will be wittled down further.

1) We can't deport them to countries where they have the death penalty or dubious interrogation techniques...

2) We can't even deport them to countries where THEY will deport them further on down the line (I think there was a case where we wouldn't deport a suspected terrorist to France because they may deport him somewhere else, even though France said they wouldn't).

Most of these have criminal pasts when they get here, so obviously we need to stop them getting in as well as sending them back.

15 percent of our prison population are foreign prisoners, even if we send back 4000 a year, it will take years and years as new ones arrive anyway and others commiting crimes.

I take it with a huge barrel of industrial salt; this government is handy with the words, but no actions.

It is alright to moan about Russia not extraditing Radioactive Man, but they want us to extradite a Chechnyan terrorist (which we won't) and a dubious billionaire who claims he won't get a fair trial in Russia but won't even fcuk off to Brazil where he is wanted on 'fraud charges'.
 
#6
Given our borders are so porous, what then stops them coming back?

While our prisons are so cushty thats hardly a deterent either. I'm normally quite liberal but these are things that need a right wing approach.

TB
 
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it all seems to come down to human rights, correct me if im wrong it was put in to stop something like the mass killing of the jews to happen again, but now has become out of control? is it time to bin it? or just change it to say 'if you do crime you do time, IN YOUR FECKING COUNTRY' if they will get killed in their country they should think about that before doing crime in the UK tell them 100% deportation for any crime and they wont want to do it
 
#8
There's no chance that any meaningful deportation can take place. I reckon they'll make squeaky noises for a while then put out an amnesty. Ditching the HRA is a start but you can bet that our old friend Shami Chakrabati (or however it's spelt) will be bleating like a mad thing over it.
 
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ericthellama said:
There's no chance that any meaningful deportation can take place. I reckon they'll make squeaky noises for a while then put out an amnesty. Ditching the HRA is a start but you can bet that our old friend Shami Chakrabati (or however it's spelt) will be bleating like a mad thing over it.
Yeah her, she was on the BBC (sigh...again) this week. To be fair to the beeb they asked her why her organisation didn't stick up for abused muslim women. She rattled on how that LIBERTY was such a 'small' organisation that didn't have enough money to deal with it. Yeah right...

Back on topic, at least Tony Blair's new neighbourhood is being terrorised by Albanian gangs stealing the money out of parking meters. See how that cnut likes it....
 
#11
Nice to know he's set a target. That'll solve everything, then.

Any mention of how he's going to ensure that the enforcement teams get the right person and all of them? Thought not.

1/10. Gordon, see me after class.
 
#12
TopBadger said:
Given our borders are so porous, what then stops them coming back?

While our prisons are so cushty thats hardly a deterent either. I'm normally quite liberal but these are things that need a right wing approach.

TB
No worries, mate! the new Border Force(CO, Gorden "Cyclops" Broon)will keep us safe!

In case I was being too subtle - yes, that was sarcasm.
 
#13
Of those of the 4000 he intends to deport but can't due to Human Rights... a penal battalion should be formed and posted indefinetly to patrol The Ducie:

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#14
Leave the poor man alone. He's only been in the Cabinet for 10 years and all these things take time. :oops:

How come our political reporters are giving this twat such an easy time. He's going around as if Labour has only just come into power and spending all his time scraping all the decisions made by him and his merry band over the last 10 years.
 
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predatorplus said:
it all seems to come down to human rights, correct me if im wrong it was put in to stop something like the mass killing of the jews to happen again, but now has become out of control? is it time to bin it? or just change it to say 'if you do crime you do time, IN YOUR FECKING COUNTRY' if they will get killed in their country they should think about that before doing crime in the UK tell them 100% deportation for any crime and they wont want to do it
Seconded
 
#16
TopBadger said:
predatorplus said:
it all seems to come down to human rights, correct me if im wrong it was put in to stop something like the mass killing of the jews to happen again, but now has become out of control? is it time to bin it? or just change it to say 'if you do crime you do time, IN YOUR FECKING COUNTRY' if they will get killed in their country they should think about that before doing crime in the UK tell them 100% deportation for any crime and they wont want to do it
Seconded
And thirded(is that a word?). Still won't happen, though.
 
#17
Brown simply doesn't have the option to deport foreign criminals. The Human Rights Act forces him not only to admit the scum of the earth into the UK but to provide them with unlimited financial and legal support at our expense.

Meanwhile cancer victims can be abandoned to die because the Human Rights Act doesn't cover NHS patients. Where's their 'right to life'.
 
#18
Watched him on CNN this morning,apparently he´s got agreements with Jordan,Libya and a few other states to take their criminals back, so the Human Rights Brigade can take a running jump.

If he only achieve half of his aims,it will at least make immigrants realise that they get a one-way ticket back home if they don´t play by our rules!

Surely he can´t be any worse than B.liar,and he hasn´t got the WMF,to scream in his ear´ole over human rights. :twisted:
 
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midnight said:
Watched him on CNN this morning,apparently he´s got agreements with Jordan,Libya and a few other states to take their criminals back, so the Human Rights Brigade can take a running jump.

If he only achieve half of his aims,it will at least make immigrants realise that they get a one-way ticket back home if they don´t play by our rules!

Surely he can´t be any worse than B.liar,and he hasn´t got the WMF,to scream in his ear´ole over human rights. :twisted:
IIRC the 'no torture' agreements were obtained over a year ago. The HR brigade pointed out that they are not legally enforceable in foreign countries so they're not worth the paper they're written on.

AFAIK nobody has been involuntarily deported to any of these countries since the agreements were signed so their usefulness in circumventing the Human Rights Act has never been tested. They're just more meaningless spin from the government.

Don't ever believe that Cyclops can't be worse than Tony. He literaly has a PhD in Old Labour. As Chancellor, he supported an open door immigration policy and he engineered a welfare system that happily allows one third of the population, including illegal immugrants, to live off benefits.

Were you around in the 1970s? That's what were heading for.
 

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