Brown Threatens to Withdraw Troops from Afaghanistan

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From The Sunday Times
September 7, 2008
Hamid Karzai blames Britain for Taliban resurgence

President Karzai. Security analysts in Afghanistan say the situation has become ’even more dire’
Dean Nelson, South Asia Correspondent

The president of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, has blamed Britain for the resurgence of the Taliban and its growing activity in large tracts of the country.

His remarks, made to Afghan MPs, follow a clash with Gordon Brown over the Kabul regime’s links with warlords and drugs barons.

Karzai claims Brown has threatened to withdraw British troops from Helmand province, where 31 of them have died this year, if the president reinstates two provincial governors sacked for alleged dealings in the heroin trade.

One of them is Sher Mohammed Akhundzada, the former governor of Helmand, who was forced out under British pressure two years ago after nine tons of opium and heroin were discovered in his basement. Karzai’s plan to reinstate the governors has alarmed western diplomats in Kabul and dismayed British officials.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4692252.ece
 
#2
Interesting spot Skynet - not aware of this being published elsewhere - how will Number 10 respond in the morning? - Other than "Karzai is a a liar"
 
#4
Jings, crivvens, help M'bob....

Drugs in this chap's basement - shurely shome mishtake...

What planet does Broon think he is living on? :roll:
 
#7
It has been widely reported that Karzai’s brother Ezatullah Wasefi, currently head of the Afghan government's anti-corruption authority is the world’s biggest heroin producer, which may explain Hamid's keeness to reinstate two of his unsavoury chums.

In any case, the Taliban and AQ are regrouping, ready to carry on the war in Pakistan, where they know that anything other than the small covert ops (only recently put on an overt footing) will not be tolerated, thus giving them room to sort themselves out after their mauling by the British and the rest of the coalition.

If the Taliban move to destabilise Pakistan, they know they may get their hands on a few nuclear treats - and there's not a lot the West can do to stop them.
 
#8
One of them is Sher Mohammed Akhundzada, the former governor of Helmand, who was forced out under British pressure two years ago after nine tons of opium and heroin were discovered in his basement. Karzai’s plan to reinstate the governors has alarmed western diplomats in Kabul and dismayed British officials.
It was only nine tons FFS. Not proof of trafficking just a stash for personal use
 
#9
We need to consider the purchase of the whole heroin supply,from The Stan.Cheaper and more effective than our present policy.Several objectives would then be achieved at once.But are NuLiabor listening(to anyone?)

HE117 said:
Jings, crivvens, help M'bob....

Drugs in this chap's basement - shurely shome mishtake...

What planet does Broon think he is living on? :roll:
 
#11
Why? Brown is right. Or did we get two 'diplomats' declared PNG because they were wrong?
 
#12
Skynet said:
Karzai is a liar or the lads will be back home for Christmas!
I have noticed that people are always loath to specify which Christmas they mean when they say this.

It is Karzais time to go. He is more of a hinderence than a help now.

Same with Brown come to think of it.
 
#13
PartTimePongo said:
Why? Brown is right. Or did we get two 'diplomats' declared PNG because they were wrong?
Brown may well be right (even a broken clock is right twice a day) but does he have the minerals to actually do it or will there be yet another U-turn that make the British establishment look even weaker?
 
#14
Good to see that Cyclops has truely got his finger on the Afghanistan pulse. :x
 
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King_of_the_Burpas said:
It has been widely reported that Karzai’s brother Ezatullah Wasefi, currently head of the Afghan government's anti-corruption authority is the world’s biggest heroin producer, which may explain Hamid's keeness to reinstate two of his unsavoury chums.

In any case, the Taliban and AQ are regrouping, ready to carry on the war in Pakistan, where they know that anything other than the small covert ops (only recently put on an overt footing) will not be tolerated, thus giving them room to sort themselves out after their mauling by the British and the rest of the coalition.

If the Taliban move to destabilise Pakistan, they know they may get their hands on a few nuclear treats - and there's not a lot the West can do to stop them.
Fully Agreed, Pakistan is up for grabs for extremism, Terry Taliban has already infiltrated the mountainous lawless zones of Pakistan they have started their bombing and terror tactics in the veiw of weak leadership, so I predict that it will be about 3yrs before Pakistan with be run by Terry!!
 
#16
Opium in the Stan - see there is a system that can still be run by the Government and be profitable. If you want to stop the drug trade, let it go public and have British Investors buy......it'll go bust in less time then it takes Brown to change his mind!!
 
#17
BiscuitsAB said:
Matty0001 said:
Someone slot the cnut.
Ok I'm loading the mag with .50 cal now.

One question. which cnut?
You are loading more than one round I take it. Why bother your head trying to choose when you can do them both?

Achmed.
You may have a point, now they have a civvie president watch the whole thing go breasts-skywards as he has to pander to interest groups and be seen to be hard with the Spams.
 
#18
He can threaten to withdraw all he likes, but we dont have the ability to handle a RiP or R&R plot with the decayed aircraft we have, never mind an Op run - away
 
#19
Skynet said:
Karzai is a liar or the lads will be back home for Christmas!
Yay, let's start stocking up the Sqn bar.

DavidBOC said:
It was only nine tons FFS. Not proof of trafficking just a stash for personal use
Christ on a bike...that's one mad weekend.
 
#20
I despise Brown to a level words cannot describe.
However he may have a bit of a point (if he actually said any of this)
Heroin may be a fact of life in Afghanistan but that doesn't mean we are obliged to support and condone the trade.
If all that is being achieved is to put the Heroin trade into state control and push the Taliban into Pakistan where they can't really be touched then what is going to be accomplished?

As an aside, should anyone happen to shoot Brown by mistake I will be profoundly grateful!
 

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