Brown says he will negotiate with Taliban

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  1. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    Will it work?
    I would have thought the Taliban won't rest until we pull out
    I can't see them wishing to share power
    Will the US agree?
    I thought Afhghanistan was compared to Iraq going well?

    Gordon Brown will announce today that he intends to talk to the Taliban in a bid to end the war in Afghanistan.

    In a major shift in UK foreign policy the Prime Minister is expected to tell the Commons today that negotiation is the only way to bring peace to the war torn country.

    This year has been the deadliest in Afghanistan since the U.S. led invasion of 2001.

    Since January more than 6,200 people have been killed including 40 British soldiers. In all, 86 British soldiers have died during the campaign which was launched to crush Al Qaeda and the Taliban following the September 11 outrage in America.

    Brown in Afghanistan: The PM talks to troops at the weekend

    The change of tack will be seen as the latest attempt by the prime minister to distance himself from the foreign policy of Tony Blair and his ally George Bush.

    In a landmark statement in the Commons he will say that the Cabinet has agreed a three pronged strategy for Afghanistan which will security guaranteed by NATO and the Afghan national army followed by economic and political development in the country.

    The third prong of the plan is likely to be most controversial - to engage Taliban leaders in constructive dialogue.

  2. God help the women of Afg.
  3. Anything's worth a try even if you don't give it much chance and remember the words of Churchill "Jaw Jaw not War War".
  4. This has more to do with Brown not willing to pay for for cost of war.
  5. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    2 Good points there Nige

    Save the money and be the prime minister who 'ended the wars'
    Although I doubt anyone wil see the cash saved

    I think that once we are gone from Iraq the woman out there will be basically put back in to the stone ages by the mad mullahs when they get control as opposed to Saddam who gave them education etc

    Surely in the eyes of the Taliban and the general male population of Afghanistan this will be seen as weakness
    Washington will claim we have been defeated and the Taliban once back in will fear no one
    They will claim we brassed up the Brits and they ran so who else you gonna send?
  6. Ghostbusters?? Seriously though Broon has proved time and again that he couldn't give a flying f*ck about the forces, he sees us as an unnecessary drain on the country's coffers. After his (hypocritical) visits to the sandy places he's now going to speak to Terry T and say 'sorry, previous boss's idea you know, we're just gonna leave you to it old chum, try not to set up any more terrorist training camps please, but even if you do we will do feck all about it!'. Something like that anyway :x
  7. Totally utterly untrue in the way this is spun by the media. You need "reconciliation" - in other words get the many varied elements of the resistance to come aboard through Afghan negotiated solutions as part of the overall solution to the country. Do some basic research and you'll realise that the Taliban aren't a monolithic bloc, but a very diverse network of small groups with different aims, most of whom can be bought or who will negotiate if it suits them. Remember that we (ISAF / GOA) need to talk at some point, unless you want us to kill every last opponent?
  8. Bollox
  9. The impression I got of this from the papers this morning was that it was more of an attempt at "divide and rule", trying to dislocte the Afgan Taliban from the AQ militants in Pakistan, thus making the destruction of the Afgan Taliban easier by cutting them away from sources of financial and military support. Anything that makes theold Find, Fix, Strike easier has got to be a good thing.

    edited for mong typing
  10. I understand the press always put their own spin on things Evilgoblin, and this may be that 'divide and rule' thingy you mention. My point though is that I wouldn't trust Brown to open a can of beans that was already open and the thought of him negotiating is as rediculous as Blair being ,middle east envoy.... D'oh! :x
  11. The original article is in the daily mail though, so its probably total bollox! :D
  12. "Bollox" - think what you want, just a shame that you can't handle the truth really.
  13. I'm not Jack Nicholson...... :lol:

    As for the Daily Mail - yes i do think much of what they write is inflammatory bollox!
  14. Maybe Brown can advise them on their finances and then we can sit back and watch them fall apart.
    How about he leads the negociations himself. We can escort him to the room and then slowly back out and leave him to have a chat with the Taliban by himself...? Thats the way he like to negociate (dictate), so what can go wrong? :roll:

    Negotiations are obviously the long term aim, but not with the Taliban, with the remenants of what used to be the Taliban. That ceasefire last time didnt exactly work for long did it? Thats why the latest assault had to go in. Wouldnt trust them for a second. They need a comprehensive series of military defeats to show the futility of their cause to the point where they put aside their arms and come ready to discuss peace. We are not at that point yet. Anything less and the conflict will get dragged out even longer. This is shown over and over again throughout history. This might take another year or more but it is achievable in my humble opinion and worth the effort or we will be back again fighting the same battles over and over again.
    Talking to them on close to equal terms now, as ever, will come back to bite us in the long run and is a false economy. But thats the Labour way so watch this space.
  15. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    Look chaps, there is a certain sense to what would appear to be madness.

    He wants to shave another 11 billion of the MOD budget, which means that no wars can be fought, either now, or in the future.

    So, talk to the IRA, talk to the Taliban, talk to Iran, bail out of Iraq, let the Argies negotiate to get the Falklands back, why do we actually NEED Gibralta, and while we are at it; should anyone decide to invade the UK or attack our interests abroad, then why not NEGOTIATE with the invader to ensure that our public servioes are not harmed and the dispossessed not chucked off benefits.

    Makes perfect sense if you ask me.