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Brown proposes £60bn climate fund

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Prime Minister Gordon Brown wants to set up a £60bn annual fund to help poor countries deal with climate change.

He hopes it will break the deadlock over who will pay developing nations to adapt to the changing climate and who will help them obtain clean technology.

Countries must reach a binding global agreement on carbon emission cuts at December's Copenhagen summit, he said.

The summit is seen as the last chance to negotiate a successor to the Kyoto agreement, which expires in 2012...
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Why!?
 
#5
What about the rich countries?

In 10 years time we will have to resource one third of our power supply (either by building new power stations or adding renewable generation that will require a £5 billion investment in the National Grid for the equivalent), and we'll be dependent on Russia for 80% of our gas. We're fecked, along with the poor bstards in Bangladesh.

I went to a talk yesterday by Maxwell Irvine, who said that the 'utilities' intended to put up a ring of powerstations around London, as it was cheaper to plug in to the National Grid. How were they going to get the power to the rest of the country? Turns out it is the responsibility of the Treasury. Furthermore, all this hyped push to get homes to cut energy by 20%, translates to only 5-6% of the power that went in to the electricity generation. We are the only country in the world that wastes 66% of it's power through cooling towers and other means. And the only country in the world who thought building graphite core nuclear powerstations was a good idea, even though it meant that they had a lifetime that was half as long as the water based ones. Then BNFL invent a brilliant new nuclear power station, and the Government force it's sale to Toshiba. The only people controlling the commissioning and building of nuclear power in the UK are Japanese and French. The British Governments of the last 2 decades are the very definition of myopia.

At current rates of extraction, most oil/gas fields will be empty in 20-30 years, except the Iraq/Kuwait one, which has about 80 years to run. The Norwegians (who share their field with Russia) made a law to run their country on hydroelectric/tidal power only, sat on the oil, and now sell it to the highest bidder while paying modest domestic electricity prices. Indeed, we've just signed a deal with them. What did we do with ours? Government policy meant that we bled it dry in a matter of decades. We should be very ashamed.

(Although I do feel better for that rant).
 
#7
Typical of the idiot. Gordons all concerned about the carbon foot prints of other countries. Meanwhile back in the UK his own country is on the verge of becoming a fifth rate banana republic thanks to his dreadful economic mismanagement.

Still, gives him another excuse to fcuk a few extra taxes on us plebs I suppose!
 
#12
cometcatcher said:
How does this fit in with the growing consensus that we're heading for a COOLING period, possibly lasting for a few decades?
Oh god, not this shite again. :roll:
That would be the growing consensus that you plucked out of your arrse, would it?
 
#13
milsum said:
cometcatcher said:
How does this fit in with the growing consensus that we're heading for a COOLING period, possibly lasting for a few decades?
Oh god, not this shite again. :roll:
That would be the growing consensus that you plucked out of your arrse, would it?
So that's what passes for scientific debate these days then?
 
#15
milsum said:
I don't know, still smells of shite, and you're the one who's always asking for peer-reviewed documentation.
I don't recall demanding peer-reviewed documentation on the subject, but the jury is definitely still out on which way the climate is heading. It is certainly far too early to be forming £60 Billion funds and upsetting the entire tax structure, based on what is still a theory.
 
#16
I agree, and it will be a complete waste of money. I would argue he needs to save the impending doom of Britain's energy crisis, and put saving the world a little further down the list.

And besides, £60 billion wouldn't be enough.
 
#18
milsum said:
I agree, and it will be a complete waste of money. I would argue he needs to save the impending doom of Britain's energy crisis, and put saving the world a little further down the list.

And besides, £60 billion wouldn't be enough.
Milsum, just curious, what are your opinions on the CO2 driven vs. Solar driven climate ideas?
 
#20
Now this we have been over...
Get a box full of air and shine a light through it. The air will heat up a bit. Put a bit more CO2 in the box, and the air will heat up even more. At the moment the atmospheric sources of CO2 outweigh the sinks (this is on the cusp of being measured to within a useful precision, but is a surprisingly hard thing to do, especially when satellites designed to do just that blow up and aren't insured). That physical principle is implicit.

The sun is obviously the biggest driver of climate, but at all frequencies there is no significant change or trend that can account for observations of temperature trends on the planet. When we put the trends into a climate model (which have their considerable drawback, but aren't that bad, we rely on them for weather forecasts), we see the sorts of things that are observed. An increase in frequency of more severe storms, contraction of circulation fields and shifting of storm tracks. Furthermore, we have more statistical confidence in the measurements over the past 30 years than ever before.
 

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