Brown Defends the Union

#3
Er yes, But I don't ink he wants ta be PM of an independant Scotland.
john
I do beleive that the Scottish people must decide their own fate. They have much going for them including all that stuff that cums out the ground, via the sky, Water, which England needs so much.
 
#4
jonwilly said:
Er yes, But I don't ink he wants ta be PM of an independant Scotland.
john
I do beleive that the Scottish people must decide their own fate. They have much going for them including all that stuff that cums out the ground, via the sky, Water, which England needs so much.
How much water gets imported from Scotland?

I ask because, a few years ago when Yorkshire Water had such a crap system that we had water shipped around the county in bowsers, they had to be forced to fix the leaks, clean the ditches that drained water into the reservoirs. They could have saved a lot of money (and customers ire) if they had Scottish water to tap into. Of course, with Yorkshire Water (or whatever they're called now)being the top performer in utilities

Also, every year the television pulls out the "transport water from the wet north using canals and rivers" story when the South starts suffering from their crap water companies leaks. If we get water from the Scots, why do these stories endure.
 
#5
gwar_drill_pig_stab said:
of course he would without the english he wouldnt have a job and his people wouldnt get our taxes to keep them in buckfast and deep fried mars bars

id like to see how good he a chanchellor he is running scotland on its own
the Scots have FREE Home help, FREE Care Homes places no means testing, Free Tuition fees for Students, FREE prescription , guess who is paying for all this when Hollyrood hasn't raised their Income Tax rate at all which they are allowed to.
while our own Pensioners have to struggle and lose their homes, Students facing a big debt once they leave College , Universities.
I could go on........

This imbalance is wrong :evil:
 
#6
semper said:
gwar_drill_pig_stab said:
of course he would without the english he wouldnt have a job and his people wouldnt get our taxes to keep them in buckfast and deep fried mars bars

id like to see how good he a chanchellor he is running scotland on its own
the Scots have FREE Home help, FREE Care Homes places no means testing, Free Tuition fees for Students, FREE prescription , guess who is paying for all this when Hollyrood hasn't raised their Income Tax rate at all which they are allowed to.
while our own Pensioners have to struggle and lose their homes, Students facing a big debt once they leave College , Universities.
I could go on........

This imbalance is wrong :evil:
I quite agree. We should be on a par with Scotland in the matters You have highlighted. Which is why I disagreed with the Lib Dems dropping the top rate of tax policy
 
#7
Give it to them and then watch the place inplode like Zimbabwe did when we gave it to people who couldn't organise their lives without outside assistance.
 
#8
Scottish independence isn't going to fail because of the inability of the scottish beaurocracy to look after its own, it is because they will not be able to raise enough funds to have a UK style of living
 
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#10
semper said:
gwar_drill_pig_stab said:
of course he would without the english he wouldnt have a job and his people wouldnt get our taxes to keep them in buckfast and deep fried mars bars

id like to see how good he a chanchellor he is running scotland on its own
the Scots have FREE Home help, FREE Care Homes places no means testing, Free Tuition fees for Students, FREE prescription , guess who is paying for all this when Hollyrood hasn't raised their Income Tax rate at all which they are allowed to.
while our own Pensioners have to struggle and lose their homes, Students facing a big debt once they leave College , Universities.
I could go on........

This imbalance is wrong :evil:
Is it f*ck.
 
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#11
mr_angry said:
Exactly; so, they should stop whinging about the hand that feeds them!
I think that you'll find that it isn't they who are whinging. It's the English. You never stop dripping, you're like a broken Yorkshire Water pipeline.
Moan, moan, moan.

Your students? most of you here haven't set foot in a University and look how you kicked off when someone dared to compare student squalor accommodation with SLA. Yep, you're really behind the students aren't you?

Whine, whine, whine. Its becoming a national f*cking sport with you lot.
 
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#13
Kitmarlowe said:
To be honest, I don't give a damm. Stay if you want, leave if you want. Go ahead, put up or shut up.
I think you should be saying that to your mates, as it's them who are dripping and need to put up or shut up. Us Jocks couldn't give a stuff what you think south of the border. In fact, I don't think that anyone really does.
 
#14
I know winding people up is your style Bisuits_AB, as per your MO.
Im sure some Scottish students have done the same, not stepping in a University after enrollment, If Hollyrood is unwilling to raise Taxes to at least partially funding the Free Care Home, Free Precriptions etc instead of expecting the subsidy to increase, it is not surprising that resentments will rise in England.

quite frankly I am getting fed up about the whole thing and may as well let Scotland loose and let you get on with it, don't Forget England makes up 85% of the union, as successor state we will retain the UN seat etc and all the other globals that comes with it. so good luck in post indepedence Scotland , I think the current mood in the entire country is going that way so it may be inevitable.

I know what your next phrasology is going to be. you said it before many times in this kind of debate
Vote scotland indepedence you know it makes sense :1:
don't bother this time just go and vote for it yourself :roll: .
 

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#15
Oh dear. Let's do it point by point shall we?


semper said:
I know winding people up is your style Bisuits_AB, as per your MO.
Im sure some Scottish students have done the same, not stepping in a University after enrollment, If Hollyrood is unwilling to raise Taxes to at least partially funding the Free Care Home, Free Precriptions etc instead of expecting the subsidy to increase, it is not surprising that resentments will rise in England.
Frankly it's a disgrace that that the English aren't all bombarding their MPs to ensure that these measures don't apply in your country. Free personal care , prescriptions and tertiary education should be available to all.


semper said:
quite frankly I am getting fed up about the whole thing and may as well let Scotland loose and let you get on with it, don't Forget England makes up 85% of the union, as successor state we will retain the UN seat etc and all the other globals that comes with it. so good luck in post indepedence Scotland , I think the current mood in the entire country is going that way so it may be inevitable.
Rubbish. England isn't a member of the UN (or indeed the EU or NATO). You'd have to apply again with no guarantees at all.

semper said:
I know what your next phrasology is going to be. you said it before many times in this kind of debate
Vote scotland indepedence you know it makes sense :1:
don't bother this time just go and vote for it yourself :roll: .


Quite.
 
#16
I actually do care about Scottish Independence.

I care about the Scots who will feel that leaving their relations and friends and coming to England, Ireland or Wales is the only way of getting a decent life, I care about the poor people who cannot afford the Brain Drain Train and so will have to put up with the vagaries of a Scottish standard of living. I care about the right wing furor that will inevitabley happen when the Scots come into our countries.

I also care about the loss of recruiting that will happen because of independence, should it come. I care about the blokes who buy into salmonds promises of reinstating Scottish regiments into the Scottish Defence Force and their disappointment when it doesn't happen.

I used to be ambivilent about Scottish Independence, mainly because of the poor reception I had when living in the Scottish South West, but thinking about the numbers of people who will be screwed by the breakdown of scottish society, whilst accepting that it is up to the Scottish people to decide their future, I cannot now find it in me to condone such a move
 

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#17
Ireland, Norway, Iceland. All achieved their independence in the 20th century. They don't have our abundance of natural resources, how are they getting on?
 
#18
Sixty said:
Ireland, Norway, Iceland. All achieved their independence in the 20th century. They don't have our abundance of natural resources, how are they getting on?
Ireland suffered throughout the 20th century until the EU gave them the help they needed.

Norway has had a huge tax burden, and of course oil. I confess to knowing llittle about the Icelandic way of life
 
#19
I'm a Jock in an english regiment and consider myself British and Scottish I don't want a independant Scotland it would ruin us. I don't want to join a Scottish Defence Forces. People who support the union and speak up it concerns everyone in Britain not just us Jocks. England may make up most of the Union but Scotland provides more soldiers in proportion to their population than the rest of Britain. The nationalist can stuff independance up their arrse.
 
#20
Sven said:
I also care about the loss of recruiting that will happen because of independence, should it come. I care about the blokes who buy into salmonds promises of reinstating Scottish regiments into the Scottish Defence Force and their disappointment when it doesn't happen.
Fcuk! He'd really have to improve the recruiting results if he intends manning all this lot....

1st (The Royal) Regiment of Foot
2nd Dragoons (Royal Scots Greys)
21st (Royal Scots Fusiliers) Regiment of Foot
25th King's Own Borderers Regiment of Foot
26th (The Cameronian) Regiment of Foot
42nd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot
43rd (Royal Highland) Regiment of Foot
70th (Glasgow Lowland) Regiment of Foot
71st Regiment of (Highland) Foot (Fraser's)
72nd, or Duke of Albany's Own Highlanders, Regiment of Foot
73rd (Perthshire) Regiment of Foot
74th Regiment of Foot (Argyleshire Highlanders)
75th (Stirlingshire) Regiment of Foot
76th Regiment of Foot (McDonnell's Highlanders)
77th Regiment of Foot (Atholl Highlanders)
78th (Highlanders) Regiment of Foot (or The Ross-shire Buffs)
79th Regiment of Foot (Cameron Highlanders)
80th Regiment of Foot (Royal Edinburgh Volunteers)
81st Regiment of Foot (Aberdeenshire Highland Regiment)
83rd Regiment of Foot (Royal Glasgow Volunteers)
87th Regiment of Foot (Keith's Highlanders)
88th Regiment of Foot (Highland Volunteers)
89th Regiment of Foot (Morris' Highlanders)
90th Regiment of Foot (Perthshire Volunteers)
91st (Argyllshire Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
92nd (Gordon Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
93rd (Sutherland Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
97th Regiment of Foot (Inverness-shire Highlanders)
98th (Argyllshire Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
99th (Lanarkshire) Regiment of Foot
100th (Gordon Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
100th Campbell's Highlanders
101st Johnstone's Highlanders
105th Regiment of Foot (Queen's Own Royal Regiment of Highlanders) 109th (Aberdeenshire) Regiment of Foot
113th Regiment of Foot (Royal Highlanders)
114th Regiment of Foot (Royal Highlander Voluntiers)
115th Regiment of Foot (Royal Scotch Lowlanders)
116th (Perthshire Highlanders) Regiment of Foot
132nd (Highland) Regiment of Foot
133rd (Highland) Regiment of Foot (Inverness Volunteers)

:D
 

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