Broken Train set

#1
I know this may have been covered in lots of threads but I'm hanging up my boots soon after 20 enjoyable (most of the time) years in the TA.

Many of my fellow old school NCO's are thinking like me that the endless rounds of changes have killed a great deal ethos cameraderie and spirit which made the TA a worthwhile second career.

Has BLair and his penny pinching crony Cutback Gordon created this situation of using the Reserves as a band aid for the Hard pressed Regs. I.e backfill/BCR's on the cheap you bet.

Am I glad that by finally voting with my feet I might actually bring about a change in policy that doesn't involve invading other countries, perhaps. But as a serving soldier you can't complain too much. afte all you sign on the dotted line and go wherever the F@ckwit poiticians send us. Do I expect to be properly equipped and managed of course. Unfortunately as we are all too painfully aware this present administration provides cheap ammo that jams, and promises kit that probably will be delivered too late ( if at all ) and overbudget, while the incompetents at the MOD preside over their failed procurements time & again- if they worked in Industry they would be fired.

So what do you think, is the train set broken?
 
#4
The trainst was fcuked years ago, that's partly why I left after Telic, or rather didn't come back. No Decent kit to play with (too expensive) lots of pointless exercises, lots of role changes, argh fcuk em.
 
#5
In reality no , I have wrestled at lot with my concience about leaving my muckers behind. But everyone has a point where enough is enough and it gets time to move on.
I half hope my unit makes some attempt to persuade me once I announce I'm off. But truth is I feel I have done my bit, family and Job are more important nowadays.

I have seen the changes that have happened over the last few years, given it all time to settle down and concluded that it really isn't the same organisation I joined. Neither in spirit or purpose.

If I sounded like I was having a bit of a rant then thats true, but my point remains though; the TA is running big time on the goodwill of experienced NCO's. Many of whome are getting to the end of their engagements. I know that I'm not alone certainly in my unit. If more of us leave then the powers that be will have to rethink.
 
#9
Want some advice, take you skills and find a new engine to drive you. You can use the skills to clean and pollish the points but try something like the Auxilliary air force. It is a huge difference to the clapped out TA but gives you the military ethos and camaradie.
Nice blue engine, nice people, treated a a PERSON not a number, rank & name. ~
Did me the world of good and I dont regret it for one minute
 
#10
You've probably got a bit of on the bus/off the bus fatigue Pluvia_Plumbum :( . At least something positive will happen by leaving after so many years service, someone else can get promoted :D

See, even after being totally pssed orf and leaving you are still looking after your muckers :D
 
#11
Dilfor said:
I hope that one day after you have spent 20 odd years supporting an organisation, some prick says something similar. I would like to know which part of the TA you are part of, as your comments on this site leave me wondering if you are a lonely individual. You seem to lack team spirit and think only of yourself and how the New Bliar TA suits you better, how the fat old slackers (the 50% who haven't deployed yet?) should F Off and leave a leaner TA, only it won't be the TA anymore it will be an exclusive club for "like minded individuals" to practise their command fantasies rather than a citizen army prepared to fight shoulder to shoulder with their colleagues to defend their countries interests. When I leave the TA, I can count the hundreds who would have fought and possibly died alongside me, when you leave will you be able to say that?
 

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#12
Pluvia_Plumbum said:
In reality no , I have wrestled at lot with my concience about leaving my muckers behind. But everyone has a point where enough is enough and it gets time to move on.
I half hope my unit makes some attempt to persuade me once I announce I'm off. But truth is I feel I have done my bit, family and Job are more important nowadays.
My bold - but nowadays that means that you've done an Op Tour - anything less - even 20 or 25 years of Service - means that the Army has not really had any 'benefit' from you.

It's harsh, I know, but that's how the world works now; the Army has got into the habit of using the TA, and it won't stop. Their view - and you can see their point - is simple:
We do not need a Reserve in case of invasion
We do need a Reserve we can call on whenever we need some extra bodies.

The TA is irrevocably different from its pre-9/11 days, and if you don't like it, I am afraid that you are indeed probably better off doing something else with your spare time.

The Train Set isn't broken, it's just being played with by bigger children.
 
#13
OldSnowy said:
Pluvia_Plumbum said:
In reality no , I have wrestled at lot with my concience about leaving my muckers behind. But everyone has a point where enough is enough and it gets time to move on.
I half hope my unit makes some attempt to persuade me once I announce I'm off. But truth is I feel I have done my bit, family and Job are more important nowadays.
My bold - but nowadays that means that you've done an Op Tour - anything less - even 20 or 25 years of Service - means that the Army has not really had any 'benefit' from you.

It's harsh, I know, but that's how the world works now; the Army has got into the habit of using the TA, and it won't stop. Their view - and you can see their point - is simple:
We do not need a Reserve in case of invasion
We do need a Reserve we can call on whenever we need some extra bodies.

The TA is irrevocably different from its pre-9/11 days, and if you don't like it, I am afraid that you are indeed probably better off doing something else with your spare time.

The Train Set isn't broken, it's just being played with by bigger children.
Ok, back to the old question, who's going to provide the trg, food, uniforms, ranges and so on? More importantly, who's going to provide the Ethos? Train individuals and you get selfish individuals who piss off with the ball when it rains, train as a team and you get, selfless commitment, responsibility and trust. Which would you rather have?
 
#14
I know how you feel having come back off telic the whole system seemed very jaded and run by the do as I say not as I do crowd. But had a look around and found a new unit (JCG) and found a change is as good as a rest. Any one thinking of jacking it in look around for new challenges while hanging in for one more bounty. What harm can it do you?
 
#15
PP

Why not try a spell away from your unit?

The RTCs have expanded massively of late, and perhaps there is a role you could try there for a couple of years?

I did something similar and went to Bde for a tour. Best thing I did, and now I'm back in an Regt with a renewed interest, looking forward to another few years of TA life.
 
#16
Hear, Hear Whitehorse very true indeed, let the blinkered fcukers get on with their new model army, in years too come there will be mutterings of we used to have people years ago that did that and this. Its quite possible the train set has always been broken, the adapt and overcome ethos of the great wars isnt the same these days, so perhaps it requires fixing and put back on track.

Thanks for all the time and effort P-P just incase no other points it out, and good luck for the future
 
#17
FEASG said:
I know how you feel having come back off telic the whole system seemed very jaded and run by the do as I say not as I do crowd. But had a look around and found a new unit (JCG) and found a change is as good as a rest. Any one thinking of jacking it in look around for new challenges while hanging in for one more bounty. What harm can it do you?
Yeah, I have heard that JCG is like some sort of SF unit, working in small groups doing J2 stuff etc :D
 
#18
Dear unhappy soldier,

Never blame yourself for the position you are in. The problem starts at the top. If the top cant see what is going on below them, there is no hope. If the top wallow in the power and glory and cant be bothered with those below, then there is no hope
If the top know what is going on and do nothing about it, there is no hope.

Can you do anything about it, clearly your thread says you have past that stage. The answer is in this thread but that choice is yours.

It saddems me to say this but I think you are part of a very large silent group of people, who have great knowledge and leadership, who are being overlooked / ignored / shafted / used and cast aside.

Best wishes on whatever decision you take.
 
#19
OldSnowy said:
Pluvia_Plumbum said:
In reality no , I have wrestled at lot with my concience about leaving my muckers behind. But everyone has a point where enough is enough and it gets time to move on.
I half hope my unit makes some attempt to persuade me once I announce I'm off. But truth is I feel I have done my bit, family and Job are more important nowadays.
My bold - but nowadays that means that you've done an Op Tour - anything less - even 20 or 25 years of Service - means that the Army has not really had any 'benefit' from you.

It's harsh, I know, but that's how the world works now; the Army has got into the habit of using the TA, and it won't stop. Their view - and you can see their point - is simple:
We do not need a Reserve in case of invasion
We do need a Reserve we can call on whenever we need some extra bodies.

The TA is irrevocably different from its pre-9/11 days, and if you don't like it, I am afraid that you are indeed probably better off doing something else with your spare time.

The Train Set isn't broken, it's just being played with by bigger children.
rearrange this well known phrase

'point have missed you completely the'
 
#20
I think that the whole train set is broken, and the TA has become part of the wider army, and thus is part of the debacle.
I was on a training weekend recently when a colleague said in all seriousness "It's as if we are witnessing the death of something". I believe he was right. I know it is unimaginale for us who have followed the history of all our units down through the ages, and for whom there has always been an military, but I think it is about time we started to face the truth. At the ripe old age of 40 I'll probably not see the end, but I suspect that my baby son will.
We have lost our flexibility (no training for anything other than Iraq or A'stan). Whe have lost our "core skills" (units serving on operations out of roll so much that a lot of capablility has been lost i.e. gunners who are never in camp enough t actually do gunnery).

I forsee a sad end to a once mighty military.
 

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