Britons begin to turn away from alliance with America

#1
THE British public has become increasingly cool towards American policy and critical of its role in the world after the sustained violence in Iraq.

A Populus opinion poll in The Times indicates that fewer than half the public believe that America is a force for good in the world, and nearly two thirds believe that Britain’s future lies more with Europe than with the US.

There is also evidence of a longer-term shift in views about the US. However, while President Bush and his Administration remain unpopular in Britain, Americans as a people remain popular.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,172-2214325,00.html
 
#2
Bore me as if it matters really what Fred and Ethel think. The direction this country will run will be determined by the major political parties all of who are Pro America. As for turning to Europe that’s a tactic that has worked well in the past isn’t it?
 
#3
Taz_786 said:
.........Americans as a people remain popular.

Popular indeed - I flew to New Zealand last year and I was just surprised how many septics were carrying baggage with the Canadian Maple leaf slapped on - as soon as the USA passport came out in Bangkok all was known.

That's how popular they know themselves to be.

I was talking to one whilst waiting for the plane to Sydney and I inadverantly referred Yanks as a Septics, which he took in good style.

Then he wanted to know the origin and I explained about our rhyming slang.

It was when I explained this most paragon of sanitary brickwork was invented by the French he became a little peeved.

To allay that I described their construction and mentioned how they are started with a shovel of horse manure and he just shook his head in utter belief at my expert knowledge of Septic Tanks [gained I might add in Guyana - where the country side is littered with the things].

Didn't really cheer him up at all but he went away with expert knowledge on Septic Tanks a la France.
 
#4
I think our relationship with the US will continue, however I think the future is Europe, I wouldnt be suprised if it wasnt the new world power in 60 or so years.
 
#6
I wouldnt be suprised if it wasnt the new world power in 60 or so years.
It might be. Whether the UK wil be a part of it or not is another matter entirely. Frankly, I doubt it.
But then I doubt the "World Power" bit too, at least without a war or two, civil or otherwise.
 
#7
Europe WILL be a major world power one day..... of course it will be called Greater England by then and will be a lot less crowded after the RAF carpet bombing of Brussels but what the hell, the US 8th Air Force will help if we ask nicely.
 
#9
Not really, that was the usual assortment of terrorist sympathisers, rabid left wing homosexuals, lazy students and kids sneaking off from school. In other words the great unwashed and in no way representative of the silent majority of Brits who enjoy the sight of Shock and Awe...

I'm suprised there wasn't a hole in the ozone layer after the B.O. of some of the marchers reached the upper atmosphere!
 
#10
Ah... the smell of the artist formerly known as Herrenbloke wafts into the room.

I think the fundamental mistake of the poll is to fail to distinguish between "America" and the whale's vagina that is currently in charge. Bear in mind that a sizable majority of Americans think that their country is heading in the wrong direction too and that their CinC is a shuddering hoop.
 
#11
I find it hard to believe that Americans as people remain popular. I don't know a person with a good word to say about them and I personally can't stand the b*****ds. In isolation i suppose they can be considered tolerable at the very most.

As has already been stated, whether the British as people like the Americans or not is completely irrelevant, it's the pro devolution, anti Union (as in Great Britain and Northern Ireland) party in charge of this country who is calling all the shots.

As for Europe, what a good idea to side with a number of powerful countries who in recent times alone we have been in violent conflict with. I mean come on, can there ever be good relations between Us and Them. Maybe at political level but never with the majority of the population.

We are an island race and that will always have a big influence on the Nation's persona.
 
#12
Warrior_Poet said:
Not really, that was the usual assortment of terrorist sympathisers, rabid left wing homosexuals, lazy students and kids sneaking off from school. In other words the great unwashed and in no way representative of the silent majority of Brits who enjoy the sight of Shock and Awe...

I'm suprised there wasn't a hole in the ozone layer after the B.O. of some of the marchers reached the upper atmosphere!
Not much chance of your level of prose attaining such heights. You're gutter-bound and there's nothing poetic about you, despite the name. Talk about misnomer!
 
#13
Bear in mind that a sizable majority of Americans think that their country is heading in the wrong direction too and that their CinC is a shuddering hoop
You could say exactly the same about their last CinC too though, he was pretty unpopular by the end of his second term. Certainly within the Forces.
 
#14
Touched a raw nerve have I Frenchie? Of course the French reputation for B.O. is pretty well founded. I'd say at least 5 bars on CAM depending on Garlic consumption. I take it you were on that march along with the Muslim rotherhood, the red front and the Judeans peoples front..... Splitters!

As for being gutter bound, I think you will find that politically, the English star is on the rise, it will be fun, getting to use the new longbows on our enemies!!!
 
#15
frenchperson said:
Warrior_Poet said:
Not really, that was the usual assortment of terrorist sympathisers, rabid left wing homosexuals, lazy students and kids sneaking off from school. In other words the great unwashed and in no way representative of the silent majority of Brits who enjoy the sight of Shock and Awe...

I'm suprised there wasn't a hole in the ozone layer after the B.O. of some of the marchers reached the upper atmosphere!
Not much chance of your level of prose attaining such heights. You're gutter-bound and there's nothing poetic about you, despite the name. Talk about misnomer!
At least he isn't using two usernames at the same time.
 
#16
whiffler said:
Oh how he must have prayed not to be seated next to you on the return flight.

If he did and his prayer was answered then I am happy because this bloke took the biscuit for talking non-stop unforgiving and endless LOB.
 
#17
Biscuits_Brown said:
Bear in mind that a sizable majority of Americans think that their country is heading in the wrong direction too and that their CinC is a shuddering hoop
You could say exactly the same about their last CinC too though, he was pretty unpopular by the end of his second term. Certainly within the Forces.
Actually, no you couldn't. Clinton's approval ratings averaged around 57%, with a low of 43% just 5 months after he took office and in the midst of the early 90's recession and a high of 69% in Jan of 98 (just as the Lewinsky story broke). Please contrast with monkey-boy's tumbling ratings since his re-election, to a low last month of 29%- the lowest level recorded since Nixon and Watergate.

Bear in mind a lot of the military's criticism of Clinton came from 2 issues- gays in the military (and how many Brits have noticed a collapse of 'unit cohension' since it was introduced here?) and the budget cuts mandated by Congress, especially fiscal conservatives in the House of Representatives.

As for the direction the country was heading? Clinton presided over the longest uniterrupted period of economic growth in US history, produced the largest budget surplus in US history, while paying off more of the national debt than at any point in US history. The Spams could have solved their social security crisis had it not been for the Shaved Chimp and the Paris Hilton Tax Cut.
 
#18
Awol said:
frenchperson said:
Warrior_Poet said:
Not really, that was the usual assortment of terrorist sympathisers, rabid left wing homosexuals, lazy students and kids sneaking off from school. In other words the great unwashed and in no way representative of the silent majority of Brits who enjoy the sight of Shock and Awe...

I'm suprised there wasn't a hole in the ozone layer after the B.O. of some of the marchers reached the upper atmosphere!
Not much chance of your level of prose attaining such heights. You're gutter-bound and there's nothing poetic about you, despite the name. Talk about misnomer!
At least he isn't using two usernames at the same time.
And how are you privy to this disinformation? I've never posted under another name!
 
#19
frenchperson said:
Awol said:
frenchperson said:
Warrior_Poet said:
Not really, that was the usual assortment of terrorist sympathisers, rabid left wing homosexuals, lazy students and kids sneaking off from school. In other words the great unwashed and in no way representative of the silent majority of Brits who enjoy the sight of Shock and Awe...

I'm suprised there wasn't a hole in the ozone layer after the B.O. of some of the marchers reached the upper atmosphere!
Not much chance of your level of prose attaining such heights. You're gutter-bound and there's nothing poetic about you, despite the name. Talk about misnomer!
At least he isn't using two usernames at the same time.
And how are you privy to this disinformation? I've never posted under another name!
You've done it today, and you've been doing it for months. Think we're all idiots?
 

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