British Troops push ahead faster against Taliban.

#2
Good luck.

12-60 men in remote outposts? Surely those could become targets for a mass attack for propoganda purposes? Islandwhana just with full auto and grenades...

Sure the big knobs know what they're doing... I hope :oops:
 
#3
Of course they do.
The British and Canadian troops have been sent to form the backbone of a NATO peace force due to take over responsibility for the area from a U.S.-led anti-insurgency force soon.

Until that handover, the British and Canadians are formally under U.S. command.
Oh!
 
#4
Paras strike deep into the Taliban heartland
By Thomas Harding in Kabul
(Filed: 19/06/2006)



British forces have scored dramatic successes against the Taliban during a lightning push deep into the lawless regions of southern Afghanistan, senior commanders revealed yesterday.

The scale and effect of the operation had not previously emerged but the British force in southern Afghanistan has advanced 75 miles into the insurgents' stronghold leaving dozens of Taliban dead.


Members of 3 Bn the Parachute Regiment prepare a vehicle patrol in Goreskh, Helmand province

Despite suffering one dead and two seriously wounded last week, Operation Mountain Thrust has forced the insurgents out of villages and recovered areas not held by security forces for 30 years.

The full range of military hardware has been used against the Islamist guerrillas, including artillery from 7 Parachute Regiment and the Royal Horse Artillery and four attacks mounted by Apache helicopters using machineguns, missiles and rockets.

In one engagement troops pinned down by heavy gunfire called in artillery for the first time since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

The extent of the battle was illustrated yesterday when the military reported killing six Taliban fighters who had been firing mortars at a police station from the Kajaki dam in northern Helmand. After observing the gun crew for several days, the Paras obliterated their position in a matter of seconds with their own mortars late on Saturday night.

Led by troops from 3 Bn the Parachute Regiment, the operation has pushed into villages up to 75 miles north of the British base at Camp Bastion and has killed up to 40 Taliban fighters.


Brig Butler: battle against the Taliban is ‘winnable’
Platoon houses, containing about 30 Paras, have been set up in at least five villages with troops driving out the Taliban and preventing them from returning.

While British commanders are reluctant to trumpet the early success of the mission, one senior officer said the Para battlegroup had been doing a "cracking job".

Brig Ed Butler, commander of the 3,300-strong 16 Air Assault Brigade, which has been leading the attacks, said there had been successes "from a security and tactical point of view".

"We very much have a window of opportunity which is emerging now. We are not just sitting in our bases," he said. "We are getting out and about and we are engaging with the locals." The battle against the Taliban was "winnable" although that would not necessarily be this year.

"The key thing to me is that as long as we have the popular support back home for this operation we can do it. If we lose the support back home and it becomes another Iraq then that will make our job as soldiers that much harder."

The British hope to drive out the Taliban from Helmand province by the end of the summer, paving the way for reconstruction teams to enter previously no-go zones. It is then hoped that they will be able to turn farmers away from growing opium, construct roads, windmills and wells and restore the rule of law.

Brig Butler said that the Taliban had not launched an offensive in the spring and with summer progressing there was still no suggestion of a "massing" of insurgents.

"They have got fewer and fewer places to go and hide," he added.

Taliban strength in the area has been estimated at more than 1,000. Some leadership is provided by mullahs hiding in mountains bordering Pakistan. British commanders described the terrorists as reasonably well armed, organised and motivated. They are also said to be equipped for suicide attacks or roadside bombs.

Brig Nick Pope, commander of 1 Signal Brigade based in Kabul, who had just returned from visiting troops in Helmand, said soldiers had advanced into the insurgents' "back yard".

"We have put the terrorists on the back foot and seized the initiative," he said.
 
#6
Not wanting to put a dampener on the proceedings, but unless he's got an AK47 in his hands, how can you tell the difference between a Taliban and an innocent civvy? Are the Taliban being pushed back, or merely lying low. Unlike the enemy in a conventional war, there can be no surrender as there is no single person of authority to offer terms. At best, peace can be forced on the country, though only while forces are in occupation. The Taliban are a group, not a nationality, so gaining ground does not signify conquest. Will this ultimately be a case of chasing the Taliban around the world, eventually carrying on the fight in UK?

Sorry, but I get depressed sometimes. :(
 
#7
crabby said:
Good luck.

12-60 men in remote outposts? Surely those could become targets for a mass attack for propoganda purposes? Islandwhana just with full auto and grenades...

Sure the big knobs know what they're doing... I hope :oops:
More like rorkes drift with circling apaches or Mirbat house (aplogies for spelling ) I doubt the taliban can muster a large force without
notice though a sucide attack is always a possibility well done stay safe .
 
#8
Puttee wrote:

Will this ultimately be a case of chasing the Taliban around the world, eventually carrying on the fight in UK?

We've been doing it for years and as for the difference between the Taliban and an inoccent civvy?? Its about the same as the difference between a member of the Muslim Council of Britain and the Taliban..... Not very much when you get down to the nitty gritty of their belief structures.

We will fight them in the mountains, we will fight them in the provinces and in the desert, we will fight them in the Mosques and the beaches and the streets of Britain.... we shall never surrender!
 
#9
Warrior_Poet said:
We will fight them in the mountains, we will fight them in the provinces and in the desert, we will fight them in the Mosques and the beaches and the streets of Britain.... we shall never surrender!
But only if we take our boots off first.
 
#11
The Soviets tried something similar. Their problem was that their Platoon location just hunkered down in their bunkers and barely moved, except for water runs. Good clue to spot Taliban. They have big beards and the locals try to kill them. Quite a few locals HATE Arabs, for various reasons. There is a story of a Septic Journo talking to a Northern Alliance Commander who had been so upset at the news of 9/11 he had all the arab prisoners shot.
 
#13
putteesinmyhands said:
Warrior_Poet said:
We will fight them in the mountains, we will fight them in the provinces and in the desert, we will fight them in the Mosques and the beaches and the streets of Britain.... we shall never surrender!
But only if we take our boots off first.
You had me worried there for a minute thought you'd go marching in complete with army boots glad you'll go in in your stocking feet
 
#17
Sorry in advance for getting sidetracked. The morons on Liberty Post.org need to get a dictionary - taking offence at the word "massacre" - although they probably think its an acceptable action when undertaken on Red Indian squaws and kids.

As for the Charge of the Light Brigade - extremely foolhardy, but very brave. And bravery is nothing to be embarrassed about. (Though I doubt if any Brits remember the Charge - not many people 170 years old).
 

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