British trapped in Basra vacuum

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  1. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/08/30/wirq130.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/08/30/ixnewstop.html

    Surely that can't be right, no political authority?
     
  2. I thought the journalists were almost all shacked up in Bagdhad - this sounds like it might be Mr Hardy making what he was told in the bar last night into an article.
     
  3. And then again maybe not............ :wink:
     
  4. Sounds like quiet orders to avoid casualties. If you don't patrol, you don't encounter IEDs. Crap way to run a railroad, though. Kind of defeats the purpose of being there.
     
  5. Well, surely if the Iraqi Government is back in sole sovereignty the British forces don't have political power. The Iraqi Governemnt can request their aid but so far haven't seemed to do so.

    They might have though, my current affairs is fairly good but things may well have happened below the media radar. I know not.

    It's a shame they seem to be on the defence, i remember all the photos flooding back of UK soldiers walking about in berets, sunglasses off, chatting to the local population and helping rebuilt schools, water-mains and hospitals while the American soldiers in Baghdad were being intermittantly blown up.

    Why did it change? Or were the media too zealous in presenting Basra as a semi-peaceful and comparative idyll?

    Civ
     
  6. Moqtada al Sadr happened. And the Iranians have been stirring the pot. There were Iranian agents in Basra before the gunsmoke had cleared last year.
     
  7. How would Iran gain from any of this? The sooner Iraq is peacefully on it's feet (if ever) then the sooner the two can get down to doing something productive like trade or tourism and such.

    Was there any way Moqtada al Sadr and his lot could have been nipped in the bud or had the rot set in before anything could be done? War seems more complicated than it was historically, hell of a challenge.

    Civ
     
  8. I hear the "lock downs" are becoming more frequent and it has nothing to do with a lack of political authority

    It is clear that the Treasury is influencing commander's decisons at a low level.

    Hmmmm.... political interference on the battlefield ...Vietnam anyone?

    When this thing is studied by historians in years to come it will make vietnam look straightforward.

    Problem is our journalists are to frightened to challenge the government. Why would they? Government gave 'em a medal right :twisted:
     
  9. Having not been back to Basra for a few months, that article paints a similar picture to Bos in 1998/99 when the British Army had about 5000 troops, supporting (Well actually doing very little apart from driving to different PX and Ecos to drink and eat) while just 1 Infantry Battalion did anything worthwhile for the locals. If everyone is combined to camp what benefits do we offer to the locals ??...Still plenty of time to get online lads.
     
  10. Does the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war ring any bells, CIG? Or the one million-plus casualties? No? Thought not. The southern Iraqis are Shia Muslim. So are the Iranians. The ruling group under Saddam was Sunni.

    More basically, the Iranians don't want a western armed camp in their backyard and will do anything to disrupt US/Brit presence. There's also the small historical matter of the Iranians being Persian and the Iraqis Arab. The two races have been fighting each other for about....oh 1000 years.
     
  11. Ah! Unlikely to settle down any time soon then...

    Why are we there again? "Lost cause" springs to mind. St Jude may be suffering from overwork.

    That said, the army still functions as one of the best despite being run on a shoestring. The impossible seems not to be.
     
  12. Pride gets us out of the shit that our political masters put us in...shite equipment........shite situations, shite constraints, shite manning etc.we adapt because Shit rolls downhill..no-one wants to be the one to say this doesn't work or we can't do it because...We always adapt our practices or approach to make it work.why? Because at it's basest level our soldiers and mates lives depend on it working somehow..........most of the time it's not what its designed for but it has been adapted and it's all we are going to get.
     
  13. Neo

    Neo Clanker

    The Iranians were on the streets well over a year ago in Basra and also offering the financial aspects to some of the militia covert work. The lock down system is in place to protect the troops, obviously, anyone else on Telic 2 could probably tell you that the most part revolved around self preservation and unfortunately not the rebuilding of Iraq's infrastructure. Sad but possibly true. Ask me again in ten years when we will still be there.
     
  14. Its' called Shiite Islam, tends to be more important to the locals than tourism or trade...
     
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    Its' called Shiite Islam, tends to be more important to the locals than tourism or trade...[/quote]

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