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British Transport Police To Deploy Armed Officers

#4
Are the BTP not a constabulary, duly sworn and warranted, if so their head scuffer should get his act together if the plods are not up to scratch and as for being armed, well, could they not have train marshals in civvies but packing bangy stuff.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#6
If elected Police Commissioners come in, who will vote for the BTP Commissioner?
Presumably the same constituency that will vote for the Commissioners for the following forces:

Ministry Of Defence Police
Nuclear Inspectorate Police
Mersey Tunnel Police
Port Of Liverpool Police
Port Of London Police............
 
#7
The run up to this has already been covered in previous threads. I can't see how anyone can object? Assuming they're trained to a high standard (I believe by MOD Plod) it would seem to make a whole lot of sense. The transport system has already been targetted on several occasions and BTP are the one's who have to police it and protect it's customers? Until now this would have fallen on the local force to do and they're all stretched enough as it is. Surely all this is, is another move forward to counter a well known and existing threat.
 

Joker62

ADC
Book Reviewer
#8
The run up to this has already been covered in previous threads. I can't see how anyone can object? Assuming they're trained to a high standard (I believe by MOD Plod) it would seem to make a whole lot of sense. The transport system has already been targetted on several occasions and BTP are the one's who have to police it and protect it's customers? Until now this would have fallen on the local force to do and they're all stretched enough as it is. Surely all this is, is another move forward to counter a well known and existing threat.
Striking RMT *******??
 
#11
The run up to this has already been covered in previous threads. I can't see how anyone can object? Assuming they're trained to a high standard (I believe by MOD Plod) it would seem to make a whole lot of sense. The transport system has already been targetted on several occasions and BTP are the one's who have to police it and protect it's customers? Until now this would have fallen on the local force to do and they're all stretched enough as it is. Surely all this is, is another move forward to counter a well known and existing threat.
High standard + BTP= oxymoron
 
#12
I read that they would be in the main deployed in ARV's with a few foot patrols in a couple of main line stations. Great, armed incident north London railway station and the duty ARV's are south of the river stuck in traffic! or a couple of armed BTP officers on foot patrol at kings cross, armed incident at Croydon railway station or on the tube near to Epping Forrest tube station. So who will attend? the police who attend now the Met! So what is the point of arming them? could it be a political thing for the Olympics?

If they do deploy armed police what weapons will they carry? they better be good shots. Firing high velocity rounds in a busy railway station or on a tube could cause problems if they miss or go through the target!

I also read that the MOD Plods are going to train them! Why! they have never fired a shot ( to my knowledge ) in anger! The Met or PSNI should be used, at least they know what they are talking about!
 
#15
Are the BTP not a constabulary, duly sworn and warranted, if so their head scuffer should get his act together if the plods are not up to scratch and as for being armed, well, could they not have train marshals in civvies but packing bangy stuff.
No-The BTP come under the remit of the Secretary of State for Transport and as such are technically the Department for Transport's Police Force. They have jurisdiction and Power of Constable for the Rail Network and Underground/Metro/Light Rail Systems in the UK and property belonging to those entities only, but do include a Criminal Investigation Department. In most respects, except for not being armed, they are similar to the MOD Police which comes under the remit of the Secretary of State for Defence. Both these Forces are listed separately in the Police and Constabulary Almanac together with their legal powers.

The BTP have regulatory powers covered by the Rail and Channel Tunnel Order, but until now they defer to the Metropolitan Police Service and Regional Police Services in responding to terrorist incidents.

In the same vein, uniformed Ports Police at the Ports of Dover and Liverpool, are also regulated by DfT. These only have the power of detention within the port area and up to one mile around the perimeter. They are not permitted to carry any riot gear or non lethal weapons such as Tasers or CS Spray and must defer to Regional Police Services for serious incidents. In effect, they are glorified security officers.

Other unarmed Police Services in London and Elsewhere include the Royal Parks Police and The Houses of Parliament Police.
 
Z

Zarathustra

Guest
#16
I read that they would be in the main deployed in ARV's with a few foot patrols in a couple of main line stations. Great, armed incident north London railway station and the duty ARV's are south of the river stuck in traffic! or a couple of armed BTP officers on foot patrol at kings cross, armed incident at Croydon railway station or on the tube near to Epping Forrest tube station. So who will attend? the police who attend now the Met! So what is the point of arming them? could it be a political thing for the Olympics?

If they do deploy armed police what weapons will they carry? they better be good shots. Firing high velocity rounds in a busy railway station or on a tube could cause problems if they miss or go through the target!

I also read that the MOD Plods are going to train them! Why! they have never fired a shot ( to my knowledge ) in anger! The Met or PSNI should be used, at least they know what they are talking about!
So, how long have you been a member of the Met?
 
#17
I read that they would be in the main deployed in ARV's with a few foot patrols in a couple of main line stations.
about 100 officers will be trained, assuming a 3 shift rota thats 30 AFOs per shift, even if they deploy 3 Arvs thats 21 officers to do static posts at the main railhubs

this is more to do with mumbi then the olympics I suspect, BTP had a firearms unit which was disbanded due to lack of use (for want of a better phrase) and have been pushing for a renewed firearms capacity since about a week after 9/11

as for kit, honestly I think your looking at a toss up between copying the met (uniformity of kit for joint ops) or copying Modplod for ease of training- I'm told that they'll be looking to ex AFOs from other forces currently serving or willing to transfer first, could be the new retirement job for CO19 guys (not uncommon for them to retire and join MOD as instructors)
 
#18
If they do deploy armed police what weapons will they carry? they better be good shots. Firing high velocity rounds in a busy railway station or on a tube could cause problems if they miss or go through the target!
They only have to be better shots than the Mumbai Walts that have the OB in such a flap.

Perhaps some lower velocity rounds would be the winner.
 
#19
I've just been looking at how BTP breaks down "london" is actully divided into 3 areas
discounting London Underground & DLR which is all within the greater London area

London North covers out to
Cambridge
Colchester
Milton Keynes
Norwich

whilst London South covers
Ashford
Portsmouth
Southhampton

so an armed unit "covering london" could technially be tasked across about 1/3 of the country and cover several H/O force areas
 
#20
As the BTP is a private police force, any thoughts on that other private police force that carry firearms, the civil nuclear constabulary? This force carry batons, CS sprays, Glocks, G36c & k's and if they do the escorts on ships 30mm cannon! I read that last year the whole force only made 7 arrests! I would suggest the CNC is really a private paramilitry guard force not a police force!
 

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