British transport police are they all ******* useless?

As a former railway signaller with Network Rail Ive had experience of dealing with BTP operationally.
Individually there are some good officers but operationally, as an organisation they can come across as incompetent. From my own experience it was better to call the civilian police first when there was a need for police involvement in incidents.
A numbers of years ago, when dealing with a potential suicide, I first dealt with the civilian police in managing the incident; later on the BT police turned up, called myself and told me to disregard whatever info was relayed to me from the civvy police as they had no authority regards railway incidents. And that I was to let the trains run normally.
I had to then remind the BTP officer that only the signaller has final authority to determine if its safe for trains to run and how they should run based on the information they have. The episode then descended into a total farce with counter information coming into my self and our operational control centre from both police forces. Fortunately, in the end the person was found and no harm came to them, which was more due to our own control centre than the police.

On another occasion, when contacting BTP control centre in Birmingham. They had difficulty in finding the location of an incident on their computer even though they were given a six figure grid reference, street names and road numbers from a railway map. Unbelievable !

The money given for funding the BTP would be better spent on funding the civvy police to do the same role.
To be fair when they call into the Joint Emergency Services Centre it's interesting to listen to their radio traffic when New Street and Bare Lane are mentioned in subsequent transmissions its an indication of how much ground they cover.
And our 12 year olds never know where anywhere is either
I had interesting conversation with a Forestry Commission Ranger who provided a 6 fig GR only to be told by our Comms that that was no use as we use Eastings and Northings. I always tell folk to download W3W on their phones.
 

anglo

LE
Coming down the A30, traffic slowed to a crawl, then we slowly passed a police car with
the blues going, and just beyond was a bloke humping all his gear out of a car,
Now that make I laugh :rofl:

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The son of a very good friend of mine is an acting Sgt with BTP. Recently in the space of ten days he attended four people hit by trains. On one occasion he was walking the track and found what he later identified as a kidney!
 
The son of a very good friend of mine is an acting Sgt with BTP. Recently in the space of ten days he attended four people hit by trains. On one occasion he was walking the track and found what he later identified as a kidney!
No matter what you think of the BTP, they have to be better than MOD plod. Most of them will serve 30 years and never confront an angry man.
 

BaldBaBoon

War Hero
The son of a very good friend of mine is an acting Sgt with BTP. Recently in the space of ten days he attended four people hit by trains. On one occasion he was walking the track and found what he later identified as a kidney!
One of the lesser advertised and promoted functions of the BTP is dealing with bodies on the tracks.

Within London underground and certain limited other areas, there are rail employee teams that will deal with body recovery. Outside of these areas it will be the BTP who recover.

A BTP officer ( including probationers who may have only been in a few weeks ) will be required to search for and recover a body from the tracks and to hand the line back for rail traffic within 1 hour, if the death is non-suspicious......Essentially, a suicide note is dicscovered/multiple independant witnesses and CCTV show it was a suicide. A death at Clapham Junction can cause hundreds of trains to be delayed and disruption lasting a day or more, even if you clear the body in 30 minutes for example.

The BTP have volunteer positions that an officer can be trained and equipped for. Technical/difficult body retrieval......The officer is issued with helmet/goggles/facemask/disinfectant sprays.....Meat cutting blades, Bone saws, rib cutting shears, scapels, various crowbars, scrapers and chainmail gloves. Welcome to the world of removing a 20 stone stone human who has been hit by 100mph train and has become physically joined to the undercarriage of a 7 section train and then welded itself to the tracks.

Last type of removal is forensic because the death is suspicious or an actual crime. Same horrendous recovery but with everything be logged,photo,searched and with the further complications of animals taking the body parts and freaks of nature trying to take photos.

Much to my surprise, Medical teams/coroners do not get involved.
 
Well our local BTP have surpased themselves this time, knife fight on the platform with 3 injured 30ft from their office local police turn up to deal with it. BTP Sgt then turns up and despite the street not being part of the crime scene and a box juntion painted at it parks across it blocking folk from getitng in/out of the strret and backing the traffic up.
Despite the local police being able to park up without causing an obstruction everyone had to wait til chief Wiggam finished his chat.

Seriously considering writing a letter to the head of BTP here as surely they cant all be as much use as a chocolate fireguard like the ones here.
 
Well our local BTP have surpased themselves this time, knife fight on the platform with 3 injured 30ft from their office local police turn up to deal with it. BTP Sgt then turns up and despite the street not being part of the crime scene and a box juntion painted at it parks across it blocking folk from getitng in/out of the strret and backing the traffic up.
Despite the local police being able to park up without causing an obstruction everyone had to wait til chief Wiggam finished his chat.

Seriously considering writing a letter to the head of BTP here as surely they cant all be as much use as a chocolate fireguard like the ones here.
Everything you have: record and keep for now
 
A friend of mine is BTP in London. I always thought it was an easier number than being in the Met, but they do see some nasty things on the railways ( lots of suicides).
They don’t work Xmas day as no services are running and I think Boxing Day he gets double time.
They are efficiently a private service aren’t they?
 

Mbongwe

Old-Salt
A friend of mine is BTP in London. I always thought it was an easier number than being in the Met, but they do see some nasty things on the railways ( lots of suicides).
They don’t work Xmas day as no services are running and I think Boxing Day he gets double time.
They are efficiently a private service aren’t they?
Someone up-thread mentioned that the BTP is massively funded by the train-operating companies. I'd be surprised if the BTP doesn't have any police officers working on the days you mentioned, given that there must (sadly) still be assaults / attacks / offences against property etc. still going on at empty stations. Who would respond if someone breaks into a ticket office, if someone tries to jump off a station bridge?
 

3123

Clanker
Someone up-thread mentioned that the BTP is massively funded by the train-operating companies. I'd be surprised if the BTP doesn't have any police officers working on the days you mentioned, given that there must (sadly) still be assaults / attacks / offences against property etc. still going on at empty stations. Who would respond if someone breaks into a ticket office, if someone tries to jump off a station bridge?
Not the ones near me too busy sitting on their idle arses hoping someone else will pick it up.

Talking to my neighbour about the incident the other night they mentioned the almost weekly barneys on the platform and no sign of Cheif Wiggam and his merry band.,

My mate was on the train the other week coming back from Largs talking to the conductor saying bet this is a a decent route to be on conductor told them no it was the worst on the west coast and they stayed out the road near the drivers door due to the amount of scrotes on it at the weekend, This is backed up by a young lads comments on our local town page on facebook where he mentions the young knobbers all kicking off on the train.
 
Having read that, someone is seriously going to get their balls in a sling over that report! :eek:
 
Btp are a utter waste of time. It's true they are basically funded by train companies so are in effect security guards to check ticket dodgers. If you ain't paid your fair they will get you, any real crime and none are available.

I have had personal dealings with them from them watching a full dust up occurring on a platform and then calling the real police once it spilled o to the street, actual btp "cops" calling 999 to report a disturbance that started in their designated area to the real police.

To them trying to pass off their investigations to the real police as they clai. To be too busy.

There is no point in them being mixed with pice in Scotland as ultimately they need trained from scratc and have no real experience. I suppose their afo could be taken.

Btp would best be disbanded and used as security guards to enforce ticket dodgers and let the real police take the funding from rail companies and police it themselves allowing better crossover and more real cops to be recruited
 
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