British police is the best in the World... or not?

British police is

  • the best in the World

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • one of the best

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • simply good enough

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • not good enough

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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#1
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1159193390417&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

The grim reality is that the police in Britain can scarcely claim to be any better than their counterparts elsewhere. An unprecedented epidemic of armed crime is sweeping inner-city Britain, and the police seem ill equipped to handle it. In at least two cases since the 7/7 bombings, bungled antiterror operations led to innocent civilians being shot, there is a general rebellion of drivers against traffic rules, and of course, there's the racism thing.
 
#2
Ermmmmmmmmmm... ..??

A question about your options in the vote.

What is the difference between 'Simply Not Good Enough' and merely 'Not Good Enough'...??

It's for a vote I plan to use.
 
#4
Government targets and political correctness have ruined the police force, the legal system as a whole is ****, you can get away with whatever you want nowdays, and if yyou get caught you wont do any real time.
 
#6
The British Police= An Abortion.

The Good hard working bobbies are being sent down sh1ts creak without a paddle by:

Utterly Utterly Useless Bosses (See Accelerated Promotion Scheme)
Utterly Utterly Useless Cons picked for the job for EO reasons and not potential to be a good copper.
But Most of all an utterly utterly useless Government!

Its okay though because Society in general is falling to bits so why shouldn't The Police Service (Not Force) go with it. So if you are a 5ft1 fat bird and fancy an office job after two years whilst a bloke with 24 years in can't get off the streets. Apply today, You won't be disappointed.
 
#7
Might be opening a can of worm's here,But in my humble opinion the RUC(GC) were one of the most dedicated police force in the U.K.
 
#8
Santa_Sunday said:
What is the difference between 'Simply Not Good Enough' and merely 'Not Good Enough'...??
Personally I don't see any difference. So for this reason I hasn't places 'Simply not good enough' option.
 
#9
I voted not good enough, but not in comparison to other PF, they are justed tied down with PC and HSE to make them affective, I believe a limit of 25 years old plus would be an advantage, the police need life in the real world and the application of common sence to be the force they want to be?
 
#10
To add we still have an unarmed police service(generaly), unlike most others, and this must be used to our advantage! They can still demand respect without the use of guns (this what we have the army for)?
 
#11
Bad_Crow said:
The British Police= An Abortion.

The Good hard working bobbies are being sent down sh1ts creak without a paddle by:

Utterly Utterly Useless Bosses (See Accelerated Promotion Scheme)
Utterly Utterly Useless Cons picked for the job for EO reasons and not potential to be a good copper.
But Most of all an utterly utterly useless Government!

Its okay though because Society in general is falling to bits so why shouldn't The Police Service (Not Force) go with it. So if you are a 5ft1 fat bird and fancy an office job after two years whilst a bloke with 24 years in can't get off the streets. Apply today, You won't be disappointed.


SPOT ON!

Did some work at north wales HQ the other week and in the canteen were the youngest "piglets"- canteen staff nickname for them_ that I had ever seen! all shorter than 5 10 and reed thin FFS. how is a chav, knobber or a real hard nut supposed to take it seriously? The respect has gone for the police- it's a sh*tty job and not made any easier by the crap that trickles downwards from No10. Good luck boys and girls, I think your gonna need it!


Mind you there was a copper I Wrexham that would make anyone think twice....Ex Reg I believe.
 
#12
leveller said:
I voted not good enough, but not in comparison to other PF, they are justed tied down with PC and HSE to make them affective, I believe a limit of 25 years old plus would be an advantage, the police need life in the real world and the application of common sence to be the force they want to be?
A good example of this is

'Two 19 Year old Policemen enter a house where a domestic is taking place due to the male being unhappy over divorce arrangements. They try to calm it down but the Male eventually gets violent towards the Policemen and is detained. When asked why he got violent towards the Police he said "The spotty one kept saying i know what you are going through. I know how you feel and i understand as if i was a school kid. It irritated me and i lost it." Niether Constable was married, had children and both lived with their parents.'
 
#13
It isn't the blokes - it's the system.

I'm a serving police officer and done two overseas tours working with officers from other police forces with the UN in Bosnia and on Op Telic.

In every case on these "rankless" missions, most UK police constables ended their tours in command positions, over and above some very senior officers from other nations.

In my humble opinion, man-for-man, we're on a par with the Scandinavian, Canadian, New Zealand and Australian forces, slightly ahead of most other european ones and streaks ahead of the rest.
When you start talking policy and procedures, however, we're very well down the list.

Of course, those that are selected to serve overseas do have to meet quite stringent criteria, so they may not be representative of the average bobby, but then again, so should those from other countries.
 
#14
Bad_Crow said:
The British Police= An Abortion.

The Good hard working bobbies are being sent down sh1ts creak without a paddle by:

Utterly Utterly Useless Bosses (See Accelerated Promotion Scheme)
Utterly Utterly Useless Cons picked for the job for EO reasons and not potential to be a good copper.
But Most of all an utterly utterly useless Government!

Its okay though because Society in general is falling to bits so why shouldn't The Police Service (Not Force) go with it. So if you are a 5ft1 fat bird and fancy an office job after two years whilst a bloke with 24 years in can't get off the streets. Apply today, You won't be disappointed.

The point about the bosses I don't agree with, the hurdles you need to jump even to get to Sgt (theory exam, practical exam and interview) are no walk in the park. You then get to do them all again for Insp, with an expectation (at least where I work) that you will have done time in custody and CID by then. If you fancy accelerated promotion, good luck, but don't expect your degree to carry you much further than the initial selection process.

As for the 'Student Constables', yes EO is important but if you're good enough you'll get in whatever your race, colour or creed. If you don't then look to yourself rather than the background or those that did. The training they go through now I agree could be better, and we get our fair share of biffs and bad apples, but no more than the mob or anywhere else I'd suggest.

And the Government? Well I hope you're not too disppointed when you don't get any better from the next lot.
 
#15
stroker said:
Bad_Crow said:
The British Police= An Abortion.

The Good hard working bobbies are being sent down sh1ts creak without a paddle by:

Utterly Utterly Useless Bosses (See Accelerated Promotion Scheme)
Utterly Utterly Useless Cons picked for the job for EO reasons and not potential to be a good copper.
But Most of all an utterly utterly useless Government!

Its okay though because Society in general is falling to bits so why shouldn't The Police Service (Not Force) go with it. So if you are a 5ft1 fat bird and fancy an office job after two years whilst a bloke with 24 years in can't get off the streets. Apply today, You won't be disappointed.

The point about the bosses I don't agree with, the hurdles you need to jump even to get to Sgt (theory exam, practical exam and interview) are no walk in the park. You then get to do them all again for Insp, with an expectation (at least where I work) that you will have done time in custody and CID by then. If you fancy accelerated promotion, good luck, but don't expect your degree to carry you much further than the initial selection process.

As for the 'Student Constables', yes EO is important but if you're good enough you'll get in whatever your race, colour or creed. If you don't then look to yourself rather than the background or those that did. The training they go through now I agree could be better, and we get our fair share of biffs and bad apples, but no more than the mob or anywhere else I'd suggest.

And the Government? Well I hope you're not too disppointed when you don't get any better from the next lot.
We arent talking Background Race/Colour/Creed. We are talking... P1ss weak looking people. Either too thin or too fat. We are talking people with all the people skills of a figure 11. We are talking women who join the job only to get up the duff, move to an office and do prisoner processing until 2030.

As for the Accelerated Promotion Scheme. I haven't got the time to start discussing Force wide examples of 4 year Sergeants. Not to mention Nationwide.
 
#16
RedRabbit said:
It isn't the blokes - it's the system.

I'm a serving police officer and done two overseas tours working with officers from other police forces with the UN in Bosnia and on Op Telic.

In every case on these "rankless" missions, most UK police constables ended their tours in command positions, over and above some very senior officers from other nations.

In my humble opinion, man-for-man, we're on a par with the Scandinavian, Canadian, New Zealand and Australian forces, slightly ahead of most other european ones and streaks ahead of the rest.
When you start talking policy and procedures, however, we're very well down the list.

Of course, those that are selected to serve overseas do have to meet quite stringent criteria, so they may not be representative of the average bobby, but then again, so should those from other countries.
Quite right, but the criteria is largely arrse. A basic instructional qualification got someone I know the job of training the Iraqi police, the fact they were sent to our HQ as an instructor on acount of being a right biff didn't matter.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. (Some of the time)

Or maybe I'm just bitter after missing out on the extra wedge from the FCO.
 
#17
lol when was the last time you saw a policeman actually do anything other than a)wander around trying not to notice anything or b) in a takeaway. I find that they are particularly useless, as they failed to do anything about me driving around the streets half hanging out the window, and merely pointed out my lights werent on . . . . of course some of them must be ok, i just havent met any.
 
#18
turbobr0 said:
lol when was the last time you saw a policeman actually do anything other than a)wander around trying not to notice anything or b) in a takeaway. I find that they are particularly useless, as they failed to do anything about me driving around the streets half hanging out the window, and merely pointed out my lights werent on . . . . of course some of them must be ok, i just havent met any.
Errr Today!
 
#19
It's not the cops, it's the entire system - prosecutors, prisons, probation, politicians and senior management.

The police service needs to be accountable. If Councillor Bloggs has irate residents complaining about yobs blighting Britney Gardens, then he should (through his local authority) be able to make the police turn up in force, make prosecutors bring charges and make prison spaces available for the worst offenders. And, if Councillor Bloggs fails to represent his constituents, he should be out on his ear at the next election along with the Chief Constable.
 
#20
stroker said:
A basic instructional qualification got someone I know the job of training the Iraqi police, the fact they were sent to our HQ as an instructor on acount of being a right biff didn't matter.
You're right - there will always be a few who slip through. If this biff managed to get on as well as most do when overseas, though, it does rather support my point that man-for-man we're up with the best even if our policies and procedures aren't exactly as we would like!
 

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