British passports

#1
Can any one explain why , when the shit hits the fan , people from every country in the world suddenly seem to be in possession of British passports and are demanding to be moved to safety?
 
#2
It could be that as the empire gave way to freedom the govt gave the former colony peoples de facto British citizenship.
 
#3
Since New Labour came to power in 1997 the PASSPORT has risen from £18 to £66,but there again I did not vote for this commie government!
 
#4
In 1947 when the Empire ceased to exist and the transition to Commonwealth began, everyone was in the Empire was a British subject. Then UK immigration laws changed so everyone in the Empire(whose countries were given independance from London), was given the choice. You can either stay British and live in for example, in India or Australia or wherever, or you can renounce your British nationality and become Indian or Australian. Then around 1984 the rules changed again so that you can only be British if one of your parents are British, so the fact that you were born in London does not make you British, the fact that you mother and/or father were does.
So, you can get 3rd or 4th generation Brits who have never been to the UK, as their grandparents took the first option but stayed in their original country and whose descendants were also British.
You can also get British National Overseas passports and British Overseas Territory Citiizen...
 
#5
TartanJock said:
Since New Labour came to power in 1997 the PASSPORT has risen from £18 to £66,but there again I did not vote for this commie government!
Heard about the recent rise on the news - spitting feathers.

Funny how the price of the passport is slowly reaching the proposed level of the controversial National ID Card - that gives you the same ability to travel as a Passport - of course this is not "getting the ID Card in through a back door" is it?

Rincewind
 
#6
Rincewind said:
...Funny how the price of the passport is slowly reaching the proposed level of the controversial National ID Card - that gives you the same ability to travel as a Passport - of course this is not "getting the ID Card in through a back door" is it?

Rincewind
Perish the thought, you old cynic, you! How could you think that of our Dear Leader (pbuh) and the NuLabProj? For shame.
 
#9
Back in the day, everybody in the British Army used to get issued with a British passport, even Irishmen like me. The good thing about them then was that there was also a space for your profession, and if you were in the British Army it just said "Government Service". Which used to make the immigration wallahs at Septic airports pull their shoulders back and give you a hard look. But even if they asked what you did, you just shrugged, said: "I'm sorry, I can't talk about it", and gave them a thousand-yard stare. Fückin' aces!

MsG
 
#10
Lets have some facts and figures oldtimer

or have you just put down your daily mail
 
#12
MightyBigEgo said:
So, you can get 3rd or 4th generation Brits who have never been to the UK, as their grandparents took the first option but stayed in their original country and whose descendants were also British.
Are you sure that this is correct? I understood that if you were born outside of the UK to parents who had also been born outside of the UK and had their births registered at their local UK diplomatic mission that you couldn't be registered as British.
 
#13
DozyBint said:
MightyBigEgo said:
So, you can get 3rd or 4th generation Brits who have never been to the UK, as their grandparents took the first option but stayed in their original country and whose descendants were also British.
Are you sure that this is correct? I understood that if you were born outside of the UK to parents who had also been born outside of the UK and had their births registered at their local UK diplomatic mission that you couldn't be registered as British.
I was born in Spain, to British parents, and this has had to be looked at quite carefully with regard to me over the years. This was the situation in the 1980s - I can't say whether or not things have drastically changed.

You can be a British citizen in two ways: 'by descent' or 'not by descent.' Being born in Britain would make you a British citizen 'not by descent.'

If you are born abroad to British parents, then you are a British citizen 'by descent.' Your children, I believe, are entitled to a British passport even if not born in the UK, but their children are not.

If you are a British citizen 'not by descent,' then your children's children are entitled to British citizenship (by descent) even if not born in the UK.

One exception to this, which applied to me and is probably highly relevant to this site, is if one or both of your parents are employed by HMG. If you are born abroad, to British parents (who are British 'not by descent'), and at least one of them is employed by Her Majesty, then you are entitled to be a British citizen 'not by descent,' just as if you were born in Britain.

Clear as mud? Thought so.

sm.

edit: clarification, and to say that yes, DB, you're thus right, or at least are right for how it used to be.
 
#15
Thought there was an article about this, in some rag recently.

Was going on about a Pad Brat born in Cyprus (I think). Apparently, years later, he applied for a British passport and was initially refused. He had to prove his liniage, pretty much like the SS would have done :evil:

Apparently, just 'cos his father had served in that country and he was born in a BMH out there, accounted to nothing 8O

Anyone else remember this?
 
#17
I now understand elegibility, but no one have given me cold hard figures and sources indicating the scale of this situation
 
#19
camman said:
Surely a BMH is British soveriegn soil.. Thats what I was always told (BMH Munster for me).
BMH births, so I was told, are automatically registered at the nearest Consulate. In the case of Trackpen Junior, this was Hannover since he was born at BMH Rinteln, and I do not recall having to schlepp up to Hannover to do the documentation myself. Trackpen Minor, though, was born in Switzerlandin late 81. I duly registered the birth at the nearest Consulate. There I was told it was a sensible thing to do because the new British Citizenship Act had come in. This would not have effected him, but it could have caused problems for his children if they, too, were born outside the UK. However, since he now had a UK birth certificate, there would be no problem. The same for the youngest born in Italy. British Consular birth certificate, and she is a full up British Citizen.
 
#20
BMH is British Soil ( BMH Wegberg here )

I am always careful to put the BMH bit when I have to fill in details of my place of birth. So far I have had no problems with passports or otherwise. I do know of others who have though.

I can only put this down to poor training of the passport office officials. I will go as far to say, especially the bods at the other end of the passport helpline. They can't know everything with only a week's training. Having worked there briefly myself, I only knew the correct procedure for these occasions due to the fact that I was born overseas myself. I even had to go so far as to correct a supervisor who was 'helping' a collegue sat next to me. Inbetween taking calls I overheard the query and the supervisor was coming out with some guff about having to see the parents marriage certificate and the grandparents birth certificates etc etc.

If you were born overseas and are faced with such problems or some spotty oik behind a desk trying to give you the same line, ask to see a manager. If you are ringing the helpline, ask to speak to someone in the specialist help team. They have more experience and have been trained to deal with all of the more unusual situations.

If all else fails, simply change your name to that of a more asian origin and you should get a passport, no probs!
 

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