British jihadies in Syria?

#1
BBC News - Syria conflict: Photographer John Cantlie 'held by UK jihadists'

He said there were "between 10 and 15 young jihadists from the UK" who he described as being "a mixed bunch".

Some seemed "shocked at what had happened" and may have left the camp, arguing that it was not what they had come for.
Other British captors were described by him as being "vindictive".
The photojournalist said: "I think these are disenchanted young men from the UK who are now unified under this jihadist banner. I think they took out their angst on us."
Hardly surprising I suppose, but I wonder how many of these men are not disenchanted with the benefits system, healthcare and education system (if only for males) and the lack of persecution for religous beleifs...
 
#2
I'm sure they're very concerned about education reforms. It's just unfortunate that Gove's plans for reform don't involve installing some ****ing loony mullahs into primary schools to whip up 7 year olds into a religious fervour. Such a shame that some of our ethnic minorities don't feel that their views and values are represented in our current government's policies....

ETA...At least if young British jihadis are busy fighting in Syria they won't be able to go and claim state benefits. Every cloud...
 
#4
Of course they'll claim benefits! They'll say they're on holiday or attending a funeral.
I'd just like to point out, despite an enthusiasm for snicking the heads off fellow Brits, they appear to on the same side as wee Willy Hague, King Abdullah and Barry, they may well end up rotting in mass graves, so think of it as welfare for work.
 
#5
I'd just like to point out, despite an enthusiasm for snicking the heads off fellow Brits, they appear to on the same side as wee Willy Hague, King Abdullah and Barry, they may well end up rotting in mass graves, so think of it as welfare for work.
Just because they're fighting Assad doesn't mean they're after the same thing and they hardly even seem to be on the same side. They couldn't give a **** about liberating Syrians. As soon as Assad falls (if he falls) it'll be a 3 way conflict between the remaining loyalists, the FSA and over time the Salafists/ AQ types/ sharia nut jobs/ muslim brotherhood.

One thing I'd like to know is if all the recent targeting of coptic christians is being perpetrated by the FSA or an entirely different Islamist movement. Pretty worrying if that's already happening before Assad's even fallen...
 
#6
See Mali. There secular Tuareg rebels joined up with better equipped (thanks to money from Saudi Arabia) Salafists to fight the government. The nomadic desert-dwelling Tuareg had a serious cause due to being discriminated by the resident farmers, who were supported by the government (thought the fight goes both ways, for centuries the Tuareg have, as desert pirates, been capturing settled farmers as slaves). Now the Salafists have taken over and are, e.g. in Timbuktu, destroying ancient Sufi mosques as being "heretic".
 
#7
I read this article in the Times on Sunday. Sounded very scary. A real sad point that came out was the so called British jihadists attitude. Every body else was wrong. All thay were there for was to bring Sharia into Syria and this would continue the war againts the USA. When I read this these "Brits" sounded so confused about the whole reason for being there. Who ever had taught them was so far off the mark that there was no way they were in the right frame of mind. Yet the ones that showed any respect or help were the true Muslims, that followed the basic tennets of their faith. If this is the indoctrination that is going on here in Britain it is worrying.
 
#8
Just because they're fighting Assad doesn't mean they're after the same thing and they hardly even seem to be on the same side. They couldn't give a **** about liberating Syrians. As soon as Assad falls (if he falls) it'll be a 3 way conflict between the remaining loyalists, the FSA and over time the Salafists/ AQ types/ sharia nut jobs/ muslim brotherhood.

One thing I'd like to know is if all the recent targeting of coptic christians is being perpetrated by the FSA or an entirely different Islamist movement. Pretty worrying if that's already happening before Assad's even fallen...
The rebel groups have apparently splintered and are probably fighting each other as well as the Assad regime - Sky had an interesting report on it a couple of days ago. I sometimes think that the Russian stand is more credible than the West believes. Whatever, civil war now appears to have broken out - how that will affect our little jihadists remains to be seen.
 
#9
Fair play to them, can you imagine a bunch of chavs traveling to Dover to repel them immigrants? Talk about standing up for your beliefs, the closest we got were football hooligans but these mad ******* are putting their life on the line.
 
#10
See Mali. There secular Tuareg rebels joined up with better equipped (thanks to money from Saudi Arabia) Salafists to fight the government. The nomadic desert-dwelling Tuareg had a serious cause due to being discriminated by the resident farmers, who were supported by the government (thought the fight goes both ways, for centuries the Tuareg have, as desert pirates, been capturing settled farmers as slaves). Now the Salafists have taken over and are, e.g. in Timbuktu, destroying ancient Sufi mosques as being "heretic".
Good point. Same thing will happen in Syria probably (or something similar). As a result, in the eyes of the populace, the revolution is now not quite so wonderful as many originally thought it to be. While before it was to overthrow Assad and install proper governance that would bring reform, the situation now is totally different. There's no clear alternative government waiting in the wings and no clear idea what will happen after Assad's gone. Instead the poor ******* are sitting there contemplating a power vacuum in which their religious freedom will be eroded and a large Islamist movement will emerge (and seems to already be emerging) hell bent on dragging Syria back in to the dark ages.

I bet they can't wait for 'liberation' now...
 
#12
The much vaunted 'Arab Spring' in Syria is nothing of the sort.

Its a proxy war between Saudi Arabia and the Iranians.


The bombing of the HQ in Damascus not only took out some of Assads most trusted inner circle, it's also rumoured to have killed the head of the IRGC Special Forces, and in a tit for tat, it's now suspected that someone blew up the head of the Saudi secret squirrels, Prince Bandar.

Prince Bandar Bin Sultan: Is The Saudi Spy Chief Dead Or Alive? - International Business Times
 
#13
So where and when was bandar bush blown up why would Iran want to risk attacking a us ally? I'm not saying you are wrong sunno but if what you are saying is true, then surely if Saudi, USA and Israel know this, then an attack on Iran is already in the late stages of planning and early mobilization phase.

Wonder what blo k those Saudi typhoons are?
 
#14
Just because they're fighting Assad doesn't mean they're after the same thing and they hardly even seem to be on the same side. They couldn't give a **** about liberating Syrians. As soon as Assad falls (if he falls) it'll be a 3 way conflict between the remaining loyalists, the FSA and over time the Salafists/ AQ types/ sharia nut jobs/ muslim brotherhood.

One thing I'd like to know is if all the recent targeting of coptic christians is being perpetrated by the FSA or an entirely different Islamist movement. Pretty worrying if that's already happening before Assad's even fallen...
You really think King Abdullah is interested in "liberating" Syrians? He just crushed a worrying democratic rising in Bahrain with Saudi armor. In Syria he's backing the Salafists, some of whom have expressed genocidal intent. He's also running the old Iraq-Syria ratlines to drag in every bearded loon available. There's been a sharp up tick in violence against regime targets in Iraq and new senior personnel appearing in al Anbar.

King Abdullah is our major ally in this and my guess is his gold is probably going to folk like these Brit beards via GIP. With the noises Barry has been making Langley is probably heavily involved in funding as well.

Large parts of the Takfiri movement has been gunning for the house of Asad since Qom got leveled back in the 80s. And just as with the Jihad against the 40th army in Afghanistan they are now brave freedom fighters opposing a cruel dictator. That a lot of the same guys were once demonic monsters slaughtering people in Iraq or giving us gyp in Helmand is just an inconvenient detail in the MSM narrative.

The FSA is closer to Qatar but is also taking the Kings's shilling and has a strong relationship with MB militias. It's Faroq brigade was implicated in expelling Christians from Homs, they used the excuse that they were, like most Christians, government supporters.

Don't believe any of the guff about R2P and freedom, this is all about trying to shoe Qom in the nads and as is sensible we really don't care who helps us do that.
 
#15
.....................................Why are we worrying about Syria.

Syrians killing other Syrians & maybe a few Iranians, Saudi's etc etc, getting involved!

Let them get on with killing each other. I'll only get miffed when they come over here & start!

I don't give a shit!
 
#16
So where and when was bandar bush blown up why would Iran want to risk attacking a us ally? I'm not saying you are wrong sunno but if what you are saying is true, then surely if Saudi, USA and Israel know this, then an attack on Iran is already in the late stages of planning and early mobilization phase.

Wonder what blo k those Saudi typhoons are?
Things is getting pretty sporty in the Magic Kingdom.

David Ignatius: Is Saudi Arabia on the edge? - The Washington Post
 
#17
Fair play to them, can you imagine a bunch of chavs traveling to Dover to repel them immigrants? Talk about standing up for your beliefs, the closest we got were football hooligans but these mad ******* are putting their life on the line.
But they view life very differently, remember Allah is on their side, so if they die then Allah has taken them to the Kingdom of Heaven to get their rocks off the 76.3 Virgins as their reward.......but they are stupid as Alahn might like the other muslimistanis and dole out 76.2 ARRSE Maidens for the vanquished.

Personally I don't believe in God, Allah, Jehovah, Santa, Fairies (apart from Maroon lidded ones, i ve seen them!) trolls, or McDonalds Healthy options, but if there was a God like thang He's been to WarCraft and got sets of delusioned Arabs, power hungry cretins religious freeks...who most don't really know who or why they are fighting.......It would be nice to think they are fighting for their freedom, but they will never be free unless they shake off the bonds of Muslamicism and tell Allah to do one.....but they are too stupid to do that!!

Remember a good Jihadi should find the Kingdom of Heaven before any one else...!!!
 
#18
I read this article in the Times on Sunday. Sounded very scary. A real sad point that came out was the so called British jihadists attitude. Every body else was wrong. All thay were there for was to bring Sharia into Syria and this would continue the war againts the USA. When I read this these "Brits" sounded so confused about the whole reason for being there. Who ever had taught them was so far off the mark that there was no way they were in the right frame of mind. Yet the ones that showed any respect or help were the true Muslims, that followed the basic tennets of their faith. If this is the indoctrination that is going on here in Britain it is worrying.
1/ True. But we've done next to nothing effective about it. Anjem and his mates still camp it up all over the place, and you can download as much violent jihadist material as you like. The only good thing is the apparent paranoia about the level of police and security service, leading to people being locked up on a regular basis (see, eyes passim ad nauseum).

2/ I have a certain level of respect for those who go and fight abroad (even though I think they should get hit with a Hellfire), as opposed to the spineless cash-grabbers whose contribution to the jihad is camping outside the US Embassy or strolling up and down the Edgeware Road making it difficult to get a decent shawarma and hookha.

On the plus side, I've found my copy of Four Lions and there's some Old Speckled Hen in the fridge. So I can put things into perspective as we stumble towards involvement in another insurgency.

Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro!
 
#19
But they view life very differently, remember Allah is on their side, so if they die then Allah has taken them to the Kingdom of Heaven to get their rocks off the 76.3 Virgins as their reward.......but they are stupid as Alahn might like the other muslimistanis and dole out 76.2 ARRSE Maidens for the vanquished.

Personally I don't believe in God, Allah, Jehovah, Santa, Fairies (apart from Maroon lidded ones, i ve seen them!) trolls, or McDonalds Healthy options, but if there was a God like thang He's been to WarCraft and got sets of delusioned Arabs, power hungry cretins religious freeks...who most don't really know who or why they are fighting.......It would be nice to think they are fighting for their freedom, but they will never be free unless they shake off the bonds of Muslamicism and tell Allah to do one.....but they are too stupid to do that!!

Remember a good Jihadi should find the Kingdom of Heaven before any one else...!!!
If anything will solve world problems, it is those who don't believef and have no proof to say Religion is false telling those who do believe and have no proof to say Religion is true to stop being stupid.

Well done. Did you thunk that all by yourself?
 
#20
You really think King Abdullah is interested in "liberating" Syrians? He just crushed a worrying democratic rising in Bahrain with Saudi armor. In Syria he's backing the Salafists, some of whom have expressed genocidal intent. He's also running the old Iraq-Syria ratlines to drag in every bearded loon available. There's been a sharp up tick in violence against regime targets in Iraq and new senior personnel appearing in al Anbar.

King Abdullah is our major ally in this and my guess is his gold is probably going to folk like these Brit beards via GIP. With the noises Barry has been making Langley is probably heavily involved in funding as well.

Large parts of the Takfiri movement has been gunning for the house of Asad since Qom got leveled back in the 80s. And just as with the Jihad against the 40th army in Afghanistan they are now brave freedom fighters opposing a cruel dictator. That a lot of the same guys were once demonic monsters slaughtering people in Iraq or giving us gyp in Helmand is just an inconvenient detail in the MSM narrative.

The FSA is closer to Qatar but is also taking the Kings's shilling and has a strong relationship with MB militias. It's Faroq brigade was implicated in expelling Christians from Homs, they used the excuse that they were, like most Christians, government supporters.

Don't believe any of the guff about R2P and freedom, this is all about trying to shoe Qom in the nads and as is sensible we really don't care who helps us do that.
Of course I don't think the Saudis care about Syrian liberation. I don't think anyone whose actively involved in this really gives a **** about liberating the Syrians except the Syrians themselves (and even some of them don't seem to be sure if that's what they're doing anymore). Syria's simply become one huge chaotic mess in which everyone's trying to push they're own agenda and whatever happens to the country's population is of little concern.
 

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