British Hacker Fights Extradition

#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/6360917.stm

A Scot has launched a High Court fight against extradition to the US for allegedly carrying out the "biggest military computer hack of all time".

Glasgow-born Gary McKinnon, 41, is accused of gaining access to 97 US military and Nasa computers. Home Secretary John Reid granted the US request to extradite him for trial. At the High Court in London, his lawyers argued he had been subjected to "improper threats" and the move would breach his human rights. Edmund Lawson QC, told two judges that, if extradited, Mr McKinnon would face the prospect of an unknown length of time in pre-trial detention, with no likelihood of bail.

If found guilty, he would then face a very long prison sentence "in the region of 45 years, if not more", said Mr Lawson. There was also the prospect that he would not be allowed to be repatriated to serve part of that sentence at home in the UK. Mr Lawson said the US authorities had made threats during the plea bargaining attempt in 2003 which infringed his family and private life rights under Article Eight of the European Convention on Human Rights.

Mr McKinnon has never denied that he accessed the computer networks of a wide number of US military institutions between February 2001 and March 2002. He was arrested in November 2002. He has always maintained that he was motivated by curiosity and that he only managed to get into the networks because of lax security. The hearing continues.
I'm not going to debate the ethics of hacking, as opposed to any other crime but what the hell is going on with our extradition policies? A British bloke can be extradited to the US and face 45 years for exploiting poor security and hacking into their networks, meanwhile American A10 pilots can casually kill our soldiers with complete impunity, not even a disciplinary hearing? US prosecutors threatened him with incarceration in Guantanamo Bay as a terrorist. They also threatened him with 70 years in nick, along with millions of dollars in fines. The US claimed that he caused about 700k worth of damage, but I suspect they're talking shiite and that the only damage was political embarassment along with some overtime for their blokes to apply the appropriate patches and do some auditing. A bit mental to do it right after 9/11 though. The bloke must be a right 'dime bar' (anyone remember that advert?)

It just shows how "equal" we are in the partnership doesn't it? Whatever happened to the Natwest Three? Are they still banged up in prison in the US waiting trial, meanwhile that A10 crew are tucking in to another tasty steak. Bunch of arrse.
 
#2
Got to agree with you there. They can't release even a video tape yet the British are expected to bend over backwards to apease the big boy in the playground.
 
#3
CardinalSin said:
Whatever happened to the Natwest Three? Are they still banged up in prison in the US waiting trial, meanwhile that A10 crew are tucking in to another tasty steak. Bunch of arrse.
They're quite likely tucking into a tasty steak themselves. The trial date is set for September, in the meantime, they're out and about in Houston. They're not allowed leave town, but neither are they in jail right now.

NTM
 
#4
45 years!? He's hardly a child rapist.

If the security is that sh!t on US computers that a hacker in Scotland can access them and cause 700k in damages (no doubt the bill for improving their security), maybe they should be thanking him for highlighting their weaknesses.

If he'd approached the Iranian gov. and attempted to sell the information, for example, there may be more of a case, but in my opinion the government should sign out a backbone and tell the yanks to get fcuked.
 
#5
I would have conducted a trial here, behind closed doors, no SPAMs or press allowed.

This trial would have found him innocent, on the grounds that if the 97 computers were that fcuking easy to break in to, it was like leaving your car running outside your house.

ie. You leave your car running outside your house, it gets pinched, insurance don't pay out as it was your fault.

Send back an e-mail to George W saying, "nah, we've found him innocent and are now covering the whole thing up" With a PS "America Get FCUKED!!!"
 
#6
US prosecutors threatened him with incarceration in Guantanamo Bay as a terrorist.
You got a link to that CS?

If true no way on earth should he be extradited.
 
#7
If we don't send back rapists and murders to countries where they may face abuse of their human rights, why do we send people back to America?

They also abuse human rights, Guantanamo Bay, and have the death penalty. In fact as their head of state they have a man who is a legend in his own lunch break for sending more people to the chair than any other. (I think, amongst Texan governers or something)
 
#8
chocolate_frog said:
If we don't send back rapists and murders to countries where they may face abuse of their human rights, why do we send people back to America?

They also abuse human rights, Guantanamo Bay, and have the death penalty. In fact as their head of state they have a man who is a legend in his own lunch break for sending more people to the chair than any other. (I think, amongst Texan governers or something)
Surely when it comes to cases like this, we as a country should "look after our own" to some extent (and I don't mean he should be let off, just that he should be punished fairly by us). It seems to me like another case of the government selling us down the river to appease someone else.
 
#9
Thats a good point RFUK. They can present the evidence and try him here.
 
#10
If they can't lock their computers up, it isn't his fault.

Private trial, found not guilty, whitewash the whole thing.

Simple.

Or tell it to 'em straight.

No pilots at coroners course you can all get to fcuk.

Yes, my emotions on this subject do run my life at the moment.
 
#11
what would happen to a signals type who wired up a server to the net with the password set to er "password?
bit like leaving a car with engine running and the key in it don't be suprised if someone goes joy riding in it.
 
#12
As the yanks have not signed their part of the treaty for sending UK/US bods back and forth for trials, we should not comly until they do!

Althought this was set up orginally so we could deport "suspected" terrorists to them, the wording was crap so the yanks are using for everything, and as usual our government bend over and take it like Rio rent boys!
 
#13
I agree with Beerfunts first comment.

However, even if the guy wan't an anti war bod who destroyed lots of data, or even some bonehead who did it for fun, the fact that he entered the DoD computer means that a huge amount of money has to be spent cleansing the system. Such tasks as finding the entry point, locating off the shelf and bespoke back door entry programs, checking for damage - from virus' set to go off at a later date to just the hackers 'tag' - and not least, seeing if any information has been stolen.

Further, it may not be a case of insecure systems - we have all heard of programs that will enter different passwords into an entry page of a website - even if You have a three goes and You're out login system which checks an IP address there are still ways round it. The only secure computer is one not connected to a telephone line. Imagine having all those Recruiting Centres, forts and Washington offices to have a tilt at.
 
#14
Sven said:
I agree with Beerfunts first comment.

However, even if the guy wan't an anti war bod who destroyed lots of data, or even some bonehead who did it for fun, the fact that he entered the DoD computer means that a huge amount of money has to be spent cleansing the system. Such tasks as finding the entry point, locating off the shelf and bespoke back door entry programs, checking for damage - from virus' set to go off at a later date to just the hackers 'tag' - and not least, seeing if any information has been stolen.

Further, it may not be a case of insecure systems - we have all heard of programs that will enter different passwords into an entry page of a website - even if You have a three goes and You're out login system which checks an IP address there are still ways round it. The only secure computer is one not connected to a telephone line. Imagine having all those Recruiting Centres, forts and Washington offices to have a tilt at.
No, it's a super secure system that a lone hacker can get into. :shock:

Imagine what the large teams of hackers employed by other countries intelligence agencies could manage.
 
#15
RFUK said:
Sven said:
I agree with Beerfunts first comment.

However, even if the guy wan't an anti war bod who destroyed lots of data, or even some bonehead who did it for fun, the fact that he entered the DoD computer means that a huge amount of money has to be spent cleansing the system. Such tasks as finding the entry point, locating off the shelf and bespoke back door entry programs, checking for damage - from virus' set to go off at a later date to just the hackers 'tag' - and not least, seeing if any information has been stolen.

Further, it may not be a case of insecure systems - we have all heard of programs that will enter different passwords into an entry page of a website - even if You have a three goes and You're out login system which checks an IP address there are still ways round it. The only secure computer is one not connected to a telephone line. Imagine having all those Recruiting Centres, forts and Washington offices to have a tilt at.
No, it's a super secure system that a lone hacker can get into. :shock:

Imagine what the large teams of hackers employed by other countries intelligence agencies could manage.
Could, RFUK - or do?
 
#16
And imagine the response of the Russian, Chinese , Iranian and Israeli Governments to a demand for extradition?

"Get bent"
 
#17
he's a loon who was high on dope looking for UFO data far from using back door programmes some kunt but a server on line set to the default settings.
that why he managed to cause problems not cause he's got supper hacking skills more like the spams were neligent :thumbdown:
 
#18
brighton hippy said:
he's a loon who was high on dope looking for UFO data far from using back door programmes some kunt but a server on line set to the default settings.
that why he managed to cause problems not cause he's got supper hacking skills more like the spams were neligent :thumbdown:
On his word B Hippy?
 
#19
Here is a bit more about him...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4715612.stm

The article raises a good point, if he was arrested in 2002, why did the Yanks take until 2005 to request extradition?

Well done Home Secretary... Yanks ask, Yanks get!
 
#20
flamingo said:
Here is a bit more about him...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4715612.stm

The article raises a good point, if he was arrested in 2002, why did the Yanks take until 2005 to request extradition?

Well done Home Secretary... Yanks ask, Yanks get!
Who knows? Perhaps they had something more inportant happen whilst they were preparing the papers and His case got put to one side.

What has happened DoD-wise between 2002 and 2005

Hmmmm
 

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