British guns used against Nato forces in Afghanistan

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  1. Oh dear, Oh dear, somebody is going to be in the sh*t.

    British guns used against Nato forces in Afghanistan - Telegraph
  2. "we are confident that there are not significant or widespread problems with the delivery chain.”

    Good one, Mr MoD spokesman; does that mean it's OK as long as they don't get ammo as well? Fifty-bloody-nine guns?!
  3. Andy_S

    Andy_S LE Book Reviewer

    That is VERY interesting.

    About a year ago, I was talking to an American chum who is a military contractor with US forces in Kandahar. He told me of how the British had lost a load of weapons, which were then used against US forces. A US Battalion commander getting into a yelling match with a British battalion commander. (And I don't blame the Yank, in this case) My friend did not know details (he was working with SEALs, not infantry or marine units) and I was not sure if it was true.

    Now, it seems to be coming to light.

    My friend's understanding was that a postion was lost or abandoned, and the weapons were taken therefrom. What an almighty embarrasment.

    Be interesting to see how this turns out. If heads don't roll, I suspect they should.
  4. Makes you wonder what else hasn't come to light - yet.
  5. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    Somebody on here a while back linked to a web site where a buyer reportedly in Pakistan had an A2
    He had paid about $12000 IIRC
    He also took the pictures down sharpish when people from here started asking questions about it
  6. If you discount the fact that this was a shipment of weapons its **** all compared to the epic quantities of material that fall into the logistical tail vortex. No one is exempt from this and the fact that the american love their "stuff" and have massive amounts of stuff moving around means they are probably the biggest contributor to the "Lost kit" party
  7. Didnt the experts on here think it was a reconditioned one from the feild as apposed to stolen/"bought as new". Some thing to do with it having A1 bits as well as A2 bits.
  8. the_boy_syrup

    the_boy_syrup LE Book Reviewer

    There was quite a debate about that
    However as soon as questioned where asked he took everything down about it
    Funny quite a few Yanks on the original forum thread turned on some of the guys from here that where asking the questions

    Fact still went unanswered as to how he got his hands on it even as an A1/A2 recon

    Maybe if they'd let them get to the bottom of it some of the questions might have been answered
  9. OldSnowy

    OldSnowy LE Moderator Book Reviewer

    It would have had to have been quite some abandoned position to yield 59 Minimis! now a container load being nicked, maybe as far back ago as last year, and not being publicly admitted to until now (for bloody good reasons) I can understand. Anyway, I think we would have heard something if a position was overrun like that, somehow!

    The Yanks cannot talk though - they have lost entire vehicles, many HummVees were stolen a couple of years ago. This is only to be expected, given the nature of the supply lines there...
  10. While agreeing with the general 'heads should roll' thoughts, I'd just like to ask who suppied weapons and training to the Taliban a few years ago when the Russians were having a go and how come they have Soviet anti-aircraft missiles and guns, and more to the point, trained gunners to use them?
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  11. My bold

    That would be the UK, USA & others
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  12. Given the current scaleing of wpn to troops, this was most certainly not an overrun position. That and the minor fact that we have not had a position or UK callsign over run, leads me to think that the "US contractor" was similar to one I had the misfortune to deal with not 2 weeks ago, who takes the description "walt" and super charges it, and makes it pan galactic.

    IF they were ours, then they came out of the supply chain. Given the fragility of the route in, if they came by land then its believable.
  13. Equipping the country against another country doesn't have a democratic government and that invaded one of its neighbours in an unprovoked war of aggression killing over a million people . I hope no one is sggesting moral equivielence ?

    Just to add how does an army lose 59 infantry support weapons and no one noticed ? It's an honest question because it needs an honest answer
  14. 59?!?

    Bloody hell!
  15. That's the really easy part. When I was last there a convoy (Pakistan to Kandahar, along the M1) being escorted by a PSC (who shall remain nameless) came under attack, the PSC were beaten off by insurgents, and the convoy and all it's contents captured. Strangely, there wasn't a mark on any of the PSC escorts or even a bullet hole in any of their vehicles. The drivers and their, by now empty, Artics were subsequently found safe and sound.

    Business as usual in Afghanistan!!!!!