British forces storm Iraq police station to save prisoners

#1
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061225/wl_mideast_afp/iraqunrestbritain_061225073240

British forces have destroyed the headquarters of an Iraqi police unit after moving 78 prisoners whom they feared might be killed by the rogue officers, according to a military spokesman.

"The jamiaat doesn't exist anymore," said Major Charlie Burbridge, using an Arabic term for police station. "It was destroyed using explosives."

An AFP reporter at the scene confirmed that the buildings in the compound in central Basra had been levelled and that British troops had left the area.
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British troops decided to launch the raid Monday amid concerns that Iraqi police officers, who have been accused of a string of atrocities in Basra, might kill their prisoners before their controversial unit is wound up.
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Last week hundreds of British troops backed with armoured vehicles arrested a senior officer in the Basra Serious Crimes Unit and accused him of ordering the murder of 17 staff at a British-run police academy.
It looks as a theatre of absurd.
 
#2
It is begining to seem to me that after already three and a half years of war, this war is in fact only now begining.

Will the f'ucking clowns who thought it such a good idea to attack Iraq please stand up and take a bow.

After all it is Xmas and some of us are in need of f'ucking good laugh.
 
#3
KGB_resident said:
It looks as a theatre of absurd.

Why do you say that Sergy? I am sure the 70 odd prisoners were pleased to miss their leading roles in this 'theatre'

By the way Happy Christmas - both ours now and yours to come.
 
#4
yes of course Armchair,
the prisoners have been saved and well bloody done the British Army for rescuing them.
Great work, something to be proud about.

However to think you can invade and occupy a country and that some of the insurgents at least wouldn't inveigle their way into positions of power in the newly form security forces beggars belief.

The poor old army is having to run around mopping up these endless little messes because of the larger idiot mess created by our politicians in the first place.

In a Theatre of the Absurd is EXCACTLY where we now are.
 
#6
armchair_jihad said:
KGB_resident said:
It looks as a theatre of absurd.

Why do you say that Sergy? I am sure the 70 odd prisoners were pleased to miss their leading roles in this 'theatre'

By the way Happy Christmas - both ours now and yours to come.
Happy Christmas!

Though according to Russian Orthodox Church present date is 12 December. Russian clerical conservators still use Ulian calendar and Orthodox Xmas will happen 7 January (it is an official holiday in Russsia btw).

After 3 and half years British army has to save Iraqis from (trained by the British) Iraqi police. So what? There is a need for 'super-police' that would do the job to control orinary policemen (after possible withdrawal). But later or sooner there would be a need for 'super-super-police' and so on and so forth.

If an expression 'theatre of absurd' is not applicable here then where it could be used?
 
#7
KGB_resident said:
If an expression 'theatre of absurd' is not applicable here then where it could be used?
How about a theatre where an exile becomes mysteriously ill and is subsequently found to have been poisoned by an adversary utilising "nation state" capabilities?

A lot closer to home the British Army has recent experiences of "black houses" being operated by factions, in weak and shattered states.

You may recall after the Great Patrioitic War, a number of countries saw the need to keep their armies stationed on the soil of the former agressor, for over 50 years.

Do you propose we withdraw from Iraq now and let Iran walk in??
 
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#8
Good to see the Jamiyat has been permanently flattened and the DIA/ SCU disbanded for good. When the Brit Forces rescued the SF hostages there and stormed the place in Sep 05 the public reaction from the normal people on the streets was extraordinary- they said it was the best thing we had done since the start of the conflict.

KGB, I afree that this situation should not have been allowed to happen. The DIA/SCU took the lead in the 'de-Ba'athification' policy sanctioned by Paul Bremner; it was a small step from arresting and killing former Party members to abducting and killing those with whom they held a grudge. The sudden disappearance of the ruling Ba'ath members caused a power/ terror vacuum that they filled.

One of the main reasons the normal coppers in Basra were so ineffective was that they were terrified of other people, supposedly within their organisation. Hopefully this final disbandment and arrest of the SCU will provide the normal police force with an element of stability within which they can become more effective. Yes, it is late in the day, yes, we should have done something years ago, and yes, it may still be clutching at straws, but we have to move forwards.
 
#9
This is excellent news, it means that the Jameat, a very visible symbol of the cities problems has gone. Local opinion will welcome this move, although the local thugs will react violently. We've had some good hauls recently and I think 19Bde are doing a first rate job out there - well done guys.
 
#10
However to think you can invade and occupy a country and that some of the insurgents at least wouldn't inveigle their way into positions of power in the newly form security forces beggars belief.
The old political aspect of find a local sheikh and co-opt him and his men into the security role - Mohammed Abbas did exactly this in Gaza by using EU money for security to buy off his rivals before the elections by putting them on the payroll.......................now he has Fatah policemen moonlighting as Hamas killers at night.

We should have no illusions - these places have no core values just tribal instinct. London was naive, DC was naive - both wanted quick fixes for a 20 year problem
 
#11
Anyway - it was a good deed by the British Army in Basra.

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you all and thanks !

Sergey - Slava Bogu - and Merry Christmas to you ! Will you be visiting St Basil's ?
 
#12
Made my Christmas morning; news said they've been wanting to do this since July. Show the bullying little cnuts that torture is NOT acceptable.

Congratulations to all those involved and wishing them a safe Christmas
 
#13
ALREADYJACKEDGENIUS said:
KGB_resident said:
If an expression 'theatre of absurd' is not applicable here then where it could be used?
How about a theatre where an exile becomes mysteriously ill and is subsequently found to have been poisoned by an adversary utilising "nation state" capabilities?
There is a lot of allegations, theories, suppositions. Scatland Yard is still investigating the case. Let's wait for the end of the investigation. Then we would be able to make conclusions.

ALREADYJACKEDGENIUS said:
A lot closer to home the British Army has recent experiences of "black houses" being operated by factions, in weak and shattered states.

You may recall after the Great Patrioitic War, a number of countries saw the need to keep their armies stationed on the soil of the former agressor, for over 50 years.

Do you propose we withdraw from Iraq now and let Iran walk in??
It was your disision to inv... to liberate Iraq. So it is up to you to deside about withdrawal. However I'm sure - later or sooner it will happen.

Indeed, Soviet Union had its troops in Germany for 54 years after the end of the war. But USA still have troops in Germany, in Japan, in Cuba. Also there is a lot of British soldiers in Germany. For what purpose exactly?

Now imagine that British soldiers storm a police station in Germany 'to save prisoners'. It would be a theatre of absurd of course.
 
#14
Voyager said:
Anyway - it was a good deed by the British Army in Basra.

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you all and thanks !

Sergey - Slava Bogu - and Merry Christmas to you ! Will you be visiting St Basil's ?
Merry Christmas Voyager!

Russian Xmas will happen 7 January (according to Ulian calendar it is 25 December), St.Basil Cathedral is rather a museum, I'm an atheist (who likes to Xmas tales though like this one).
 
#15
This is a result in the short run but really its like treading on mercury.
And did the Brits operate with the full consent of the democratically elected government of Iraq?

Of course they didn't, for obvious security reasons.
But that just undermines the government we are supposed to be supporting doesn't it?

And don't just worry about Iran.
cheyney has been warned that if the U.S. start to pull out the Saudis will move in.
 
#16
SLRboy said:
This is a result in the short run but really its like treading on mercury.
And did the Brits operate with the full consent of the democratically elected government of Iraq?

Of course they didn't, for obvious security reasons.
But that just undermines the government we are supposed to be supporting doesn't it?

And don't just worry about Iran.
cheyney has been warned that if the U.S. start to pull out the Saudis will move in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...WAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2006/12/25/ubasra125.xml

"We had clear directions from the prime minister and governor to dissolve the unit."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6208535.stm

The action had the permission of Iraq's prime minister, Nuri al-Malaki.
 
#17
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6208535.stm

The operation was planned since July but intelligence led them to act fast to prevent the alleged killing of prisoners. The action had the permission of Iraq's prime minister, Nuri al-Malaki.
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The troops carried out medical assessments of detainees before transferring them to another police station, and said there was evidence of torture.
So it was known that during at least half of a year the prisoners were tortured. So why the operation dealyed for such a long period?

It was possible to surround the police station by Iraqi and British troops (Iraqi soldiers would be used as an inner circle) just in July. There was no need to demolish the building. But in this case the operation would not be so heroic.

British political and military leadership badly needs arguments to back their stupid pointless policy. So this Christmas fairy-tale with preplanned happy-end is no more than senseless propagandist action to fool those who still believe politicians.

Btw, it appears that the 'saved' were placed into another prison. Salvation to jail - it is something new.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061225/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

British troops were fired on as they approached the station and killed seven gunmen, said Maj. Charlie Burbridge, a British military spokesman.

British and Iraqi forces transferred all 76 prisoners at the police station to another detention facility in downtown Basra, he said. Once the station was evacuated, British forces destroyed it with explosives.
I don't understand for what reason the police station was destroyed? To spend taxpayers money for building new one?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6208535.stm

BBC News correspondent Huw Williams said the demolition of the building was a visible symbol of the hope that the serious crimes carried out by police officers based there should now come to an end.
It is a visible symbol of stupidity.
 
#18
Thanks for the links Quiller,
Seems a bit odd though to destroy the whole compound.
Why not fill it with the 'good' Iraqi cops I wonder?
 
#20
SLRboy said:
Thanks for the links Quiller,
Seems a bit odd though to destroy the whole compound.
Why not fill it with the 'good' Iraqi cops I wonder?
There is only one logical explanation - a shortage in 'good' Iraqi cops. Moreover I suspect that there is a shortage in 'good' Iraqis.
 

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