British doctor killed by Taliban

#2
I'm never surprised at the lack of basic common dog many obviously very intelligent people have.

Doogooder mindset: I'll be alright, I'm a Doctor helping people so they'll leave me alone.

Robber mindset: Oh look! Doctors! Well off Westerners!
 
#4
I love it when the God squad put their lives in the hands of the Almighty sky pixie. A harsh lesson/price to pay for believing in ****ing fantasy nonsense.

Just 5 billion more of the cnuts before humanity wakes up to the fact that it is meerly bacteria on the pimply arrse of the planet

Love and kisses theGimp
(Fundamental atheist)
 
#5
#9
My first though was "what the **** was she thinking" .

Did they even have an armed escort or where they just relying on the good will of the Taliban not to slot them?

Why do apparently clever people not realise that there are nasty people in the world who will kill you as soon as look at you.

British doctor and nine others killed in Afghanistan ambush - Telegraph
Why am I not surprised by the actions of a bunch of medieaval fanatics KILLING Doctors in the name of the "RELIGION OF PEACE", I look forward to reading the comments of the resident Islamophiles! :-(
Its not just Afghanistan look at this report from Yemen last year where 2 German Nurses were killed by the savages! :- Bible School Students Murdered in Yemen - Christian World News - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
 

OldSnowy

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#10
Advocating Apostacy? That will get you deaded for sure in many Muslim countries.
In the majority of Muslim countries, in fact. I'm now convinced that anyone who goes on about a majority of 'moderate muslims' is living in a bubble. There are some of these - but almost entirely confined to W Europe and other Western Countries. In most (well over half) of Muslim nations, to be Christian, or Gay, or even female means that you have fewer rights than a 'normal' male (Well over half have being gay as a criminal, sometimes a capital, offence - countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan).

To say that most Muslims are 'moderate' is demonstrably bollocks.
 
#11
My first though was "what the **** was she thinking" .

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How about " Never mind the politics . I'll help people who are needing my medical services ? "

It's easy to sneer at idealism that borders on the naive , perhaps even stupid , but this sums up the type of scum that that waging jihad against the west . Perhaps if anyone of us gets in to a discussion with the usual suspects in the " anti war brigade " we'd do well to point out that NATO aren't commiting murder against aid workers
 
#12
Why am I not surprised by the actions of a bunch of medieaval fanatics KILLING Doctors in the name of the "RELIGION OF PEACE", I look forward to reading the comments of the resident Islamophiles! :-(
Its not just Afghanistan look at this report from Yemen last year where 2 German Nurses were killed by the savages! :- Bible School Students Murdered in Yemen - Christian World News - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com
Repeat after me…


Being a Christian Missionary in a country were the local religion mandates the death penalty for anyone who converts from Islam is high on the list of Darwin Award winning jobs.
 
#13
In the majority of Muslim countries, in fact. I'm now convinced that anyone who goes on about a majority of 'moderate muslims' is living in a bubble. There are some of these - but almost entirely confined to W Europe and other Western Countries. In most (well over half) of Muslim nations, to be Christian, or Gay, or even female means that you have fewer rights than a 'normal' male (Well over half have being gay as a criminal, sometimes a capital, offence - countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan).

To say that most Muslims are 'moderate' is demonstrably bollocks.
In this country I would say most muslims are moderate, at least those who I come into contact with are, but that still leaves a lot who aren't.

I also think it's more of a cultural thing, around the turn of the 1st millenia the Muslim religion was very much more tolerant than christianity, other religions where tolerated but it was beneficial to be a muslim, which is why the Roman (byzantine) empire fell.

But since then the religion and the people who believe in it seem to have gone back to the stone age.

I'm with Gimp on this, the sooner people stop trying to force their brand of sky pixies on others the better.
 
#14
How about " Never mind the politics . I'll help people who are needing my medical services ? "
Unless of course they really were distributing bibles in the local tongue. In which case, it looks like the Emperor's been busy again:

"You go off and win souls for Christ, you're a doctor as well as a missionary, so nobody'll lay a finger on you. God will be chuffed to bits with you, no duff."

"Cracking idea Emperor, I'll do it."

Evil laughter echoes....
 
#15
Unless of course they really were distributing bibles in the local tongue. In which case, it looks like the Emperor's been busy again:

"You go off and win souls for Christ, you're a doctor as well as a missionary, so nobody'll lay a finger on you. God will be chuffed to bits with you, no duff."

"Cracking idea Emperor, I'll do it."

Evil laughter echoes....
She was part of a Christian aid organisation, so I think the Taliban might be telling the truth this time.
 
#16
In this country I would say most muslims are moderate, at least those who I come into contact with are, but that still leaves a lot who aren't.

I also think it's more of a cultural thing, around the turn of the 1st millenia the Muslim religion was very much more tolerant than christianity, other religions where tolerated but it was beneficial to be a muslim, which is why the Roman (byzantine) empire fell.

But since then the religion and the people who believe in it seem to have gone back to the stone age.

I'm with Gimp on this, the sooner people stop trying to force their brand of sky pixies on others the better.


The Crusaders taught the Muslims everything they needed to know about religious intolerance and they were good teachers.
 

rampant

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#19
Given that the crusades were trying to retake Christian lands seized by Islamic types, I rather think you've got it arse-about face.

Hahahahahahhahaha pull the other one it's got bells on: the Levant was never truely Christian and the Crusaders merrily laid waste to Orthodox Christian Byzantine lands reclaiming my arrse it was all about the money.
 
#20
Given that the crusades were trying to retake Christian lands seized by Islamic types, I rather think you've got it arse-about face.
I think you need to read up on some history…

Muslims take Jerusalem in 637… Life goes on



"…Surrender


Present day building of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, where Sophronius invited caliph Umar to offer Salah.
In early April 637, Umar arrived in Palestine and went first to Jabiya,[16] where he was received by Abu Ubaidah, Khalid and Yazid, who had traveled with an escort to receive him. Amr was left as commander of the besieging Muslim army.[17]
Upon Umar's arrival in Jerusalem, a pact known as The Umariyya Covenant was drawn up. It surrendered the city and gave guarantees of civil and religious liberty to Christians in exchange for jizya. It was signed by caliph Umar on behalf of the Muslims, and witnessed by Khalid, Amr, Abdur Rahman bin Awf and Muawiyah. In late April 637, Jerusalem was officially surrendered to the caliph.[18]
Umar allowed Jews to live in Jerusalem. It was first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive rule of the Romans, that Jews were allowed to enter and worship freely in their holy city.[2] It has been recorded in the annals of Muslim chronicles, that at the time of the Zuhr prayers, Sophronius invited Umar to pray in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Umar declined, fearing that accepting the invitation might endanger the church's status as a Christian temple, and that Muslims might break the treaty and turn the temple into a mosque.[10] After staying for ten days at Jerusalem, the caliph returned to Medina.[19]…"


Crusaders take Jerusalem 1099… On of the great historical massacres takes place


"…Muslims
Many Muslims sought shelter in the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock, and the Temple Mount area generally. According to the Gesta Francorum, speaking only of the Temple Mount area, "...[our men] were killing and slaying even to the Temple of Solomon, where the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles..." According to Raymond of Aguilers, also writing solely of the Temple Mount area, " in the Temple and porch of Solomon men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins." However, this imagery should not be taken literally; it was taken directly from biblical passage Apocalypse 14:20.[4] Writing about the Temple Mount area alone Fulcher of Chartres, who was not an eyewitness to the Jerusalem siege because he had stayed with Baldwin in Edessa at the time, says: "In this temple 10,000 were killed. Indeed, if you had been there you would have seen our feet coloured to our ankles with the blood of the slain. But what more shall I relate? None of them were left alive; neither women nor children were spared".[5] The slaughter of large numbers of Muslims on the Temple Mount is sometimes dubiously projected into the entire city, with some modern commentators claiming that all or almost all of the inhabitants of the city were killed. There is no eyewitness evidence for such a wholesale slaughter outside the Temple Mount area.
The eyewitness Gesta Francorum states that some people were spared. Its anonymous author wrote, "When the pagans had been overcome, our men seized great numbers, both men and women, either killing them or keeping them captive, as they wished."[6] Later the same source writes, "[Our leaders] also ordered all the Saracen dead to be cast outside because of the great stench, since the whole city was filled with their corpses; and so the living Saracens dragged the dead before the exits of the gates and arranged them in heaps, as if they were houses. No one ever saw or heard of such slaughter of pagan people, for funeral pyres were formed from them like pyramids, and no one knows their number except God alone. But Raymond caused the Emir and the others who were with him to be conducted to Ascalon, whole and unhurt."[7]
Another eyewitness source, Raymond of Aguilers, reports that some Muslims survived. After recounting the slaughter on the Temple Mount he reports of some who "took refuge in the Tower of David, and, petitioning Count Raymond for protection, surrendered the Tower into his hands." [8] These Muslims left with the Fatimid governor for Ascalon.[9] A version of this tradition is also known to the later Muslim historian Ibn al-Athir (10, 193-95), who recounts that after the city was taken and pillaged: "A band of Muslims barricaded themselves into the Oratory of David (Mihrab Dawud) and fought on for several days. They were granted their lives in return for surrendering. The Franks honoured their word, and the group left by night for Ascalon."[10] One Cairo Geniza letter also refers to some Jewish residents who left with the Fatimid governor.[11]
Tancred claimed the Temple quarter for himself and offered protection to some of the Muslims there, but he was unable to prevent their deaths at the hands of his fellow Crusaders.
Although the Crusaders killed many of the Muslim and Jewish residents, eyewitness accounts (Gesta Francorum, Raymond of Aguilers, and the Cairo Geniza documents) demonstrate that some Muslim and Jewish residents were allowed to live, as long as they left Jerusalem.[12] All modern estimates of the numbers actually killed in Jerusalem after the Crusader siege are entirely speculative; the primary sources from the period simply do not allow a reliable estimate to be made.

[edit]Jews
The chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi states the Jewish defenders sought refuge in their synagogue, but the "Franks burned it over their heads", killing everyone inside.[13] One account alleges that the Crusaders circled the flaming building while singing "Christ, We Adore Thee!, Thee are our light, our direction, our love" [14]. There is no question that there was a massacre of some Jerusalem Jews, for contemporary letters from the Cairo Geniza seeking aid for Jews who escaped Jerusalem at the time of the Crusader siege refers to such killings. However, the same letters also clearly reveal that there were some Jewish survivors as well.[15]

[edit]Eastern Christians
Contrary to what is sometimes alleged, no eyewitness source refers to Crusaders killing Eastern Christians in Jerusalem, and early Eastern Christian sources (Matthew of Edessa, Anna Comnena, Michael the Syrian, etc.) make no such allegation about the Crusaders in Jerusalem. According to the Syriac Chronicle to 1234 Christians had already been expelled from Jerusalem before the Crusaders arrived.[16] Presumably this would have been done by the Fatimid governor to prevent their possible collusion with the Crusaders.[citation needed]
The Gesta Francorum claims that on Wednesday August 9, two and a half weeks after the siege, Peter the Hermit encouraged all the "Greek and Latin priests and clerics" to make a thanksgiving procession to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.[17] This indicates that some Eastern Christian clergy remained in or near Jerusalem during the siege. In November 1100, when Fulcher of Chartres personally accompanied Baldwin on a visit to Jerusalem, they were greeted by both Greek and Syrian clerics and laity (Book II, 3), indicating an Eastern Christian presence in the city a year later.…'
 

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