British Defence Force.

#1
Talking with a few friends about all the cuts and sackings going on in the UK,and it got around to the TA and the proposed 900 Mod Police being cut....and someone asked a question about where this was all going to end up.Now this was just a question out of interest in the subject,not for one moment thinking it would happen.

What numbers would be needed in the Forces it we became a pure defence force rather than supporting operations overseas or anything for that matter.....just everyone stationed within the UK only,not even part of some proposed European Army.

I know these numbers change depending on a nations assets and population and influence,so the last time I read about this in the early 1990's..I believe that number might be well off by now.

Anybody suggest numbers for the Army,Navy and Airforce?
 
#2
Surely the numbers are dictated by capability. How many artillery pieces, how many tanks, how many attack/support helos and aircraft, what Naval capability are you planning? Patrol boats, coastal or fisheries protection. Work out what needs to be done for defensive rather than offensive operations and then you can work out manpower needs.
 
#3
Current spending limits will mean the BDF will be as follows.

Navy: 2 blokes in a pedello with a 12 gauge shot gun

Army: 10 blokes based at dover castle with 5 smooth bore muskets and 10 rounds.

Air Force: what Air Force??
 
#5
BaldBaBoon said:
Talking with a few friends about all the cuts and sackings going on in the UK,and it got around to the TA and the proposed 900 Mod Police being cut....and someone asked a question about where this was all going to end up.Now this was just a question out of interest in the subject,not for one moment thinking it would happen.

What numbers would be needed in the Forces it we became a pure defence force rather than supporting operations overseas or anything for that matter.....just everyone stationed within the UK only,not even part of some proposed European Army.

I know these numbers change depending on a nations assets and population and influence,so the last time I read about this in the early 1990's..I believe that number might be well off by now.

Anybody suggest numbers for the Army,Navy and Airforce?
You really think this will ever happen?
 
#6
No,I do not think it will happen as stated in the first post.

Its just out of pure interest in a kind of " what if " scenario.....being an island making a difference to our defence needs compared to somewhere landlocked for example.

How many ships would be needed to patrol the coastline,airspace defence and what troops to provide coverage....I dont remember seeing any numbers on the forums.
 
#7
I wonder which enemy you have in mind ? Is there an enemy who would want to invade and take over UK ?

Even if we wanted to we couldn't even give Northern Ireland away to Southern Ireland because the South don't want to pick up the bill for all the artificial public sector work.

Any wise enemy would simply pursue the current strategy to leave UK alone as the world's landfill site to send their human and nuclear garbage.
 
#8
BaldBaBoon said:
No,I do not think it will happen as stated in the first post.

Its just out of pure interest in a kind of " what if " scenario.....being an island making a difference to our defence needs compared to somewhere landlocked for example.

How many ships would be needed to patrol the coastline,airspace defence and what troops to provide coverage....I dont remember seeing any numbers on the forums.
Difficult to speculate about something that we all know will never happen really isn't it :roll:
 
#9
re-stilly said:
Current spending limits will mean the BDF will be as follows.

Navy: 2 blokes in a pedello with a 12 gauge shot gun

Army: 10 blokes based at dover castle with 5 smooth bore muskets and 10 rounds.

Air Force: what Air Force??
Air Force?? You mean Man has learnt to fly?? Witchcraft I tell you, withcraft :wink:
 
#10
True,it is far fetched...I suppose the nearest I can get to an answer is to look at somewhere like Ireland and just do a botch job on the difference in actual size and round up.

I cannot really use Australia as a comparison as the country is so bloody big even with a small population...my limited maths wont be able to work that one out.
 
#11
BaldBaBoon said:
True,it is far fetched...I suppose the nearest I can get to an answer is to look at somewhere like Ireland and just do a botch job on the difference in actual size and round up.
Or look at somewhere Finland. But do we really want to expand the army that much?

The Irish armed forces plan on the assumption that we won't invade, & anyone else has to get past us. They're not a good basis for working out what is needed to defend a country that doesn't have a big neighbour with a vested interest in not letting anyone else take it over.
 
#12
saintstone said:
re-stilly said:
Current spending limits will mean the BDF will be as follows.

Navy: 2 blokes in a pedello with a 12 gauge shot gun

Army: 10 blokes based at dover castle with 5 smooth bore muskets and 10 rounds.

Air Force: what Air Force??
Air Force?? You mean Man has learnt to fly?? Witchcraft I tell you, withcraft :wink:
Burn her! :D
 
#13
Perhaps we have enough drug dealers with shotguns and nasty dogs to defend us. If they don't feel like fighting any invaders, they can probably afford to bribe them to go away.
 
#16
If the British Armed Services were to become a 'pure defence force' then our political masters would presumably identify all potential threats that that force might face, formulate a mission for said force and allocate the funds necessary to allow said force to achieve that mission.

Or perhaps not...
 
#17
Bledlow is on to something here, such questions are normally assessed partly on the potential threat.

Ireland has been briefly mentioned, (and no offence, I liked the green bits and the proximity to the sea, the fresh air etc for a week's holiday), but who would want it for keeps?

Another Island example is Iceland. Now that the friends "over there" decided they don't need a permanent Aircraft Carrier, and with the Icelandic króna not being worth much after the financial crash it's cheaper to buy Iceland than invade it.

The Faeroes? Until they find oil, the rest of us will be happy having the Danes continue paying for that lot.

The two other corners of the triangle are own capabilities and available resources.

When you decide you do not want to spend more to maintain a given level of defensive capability, you will usually resort to reducing the threat. This is already apparent in the discussions on what is more of a risk to UK security - the homegrown terrorist threat or the situation in Afghanistan. It is also apparent in the debate over whether to keep the nuclear deterrent (against what)?

You may not even have to wait until 2030 (no beers or T-shirts), the question of larger army or smaller foreign policy will be answered before that. When in the next very few years troops are withdrawn from Astan and the residual defence against the 3rd mild consternation Army is moved from Germany to the Island, the curve will only continue to point towards the public duty brigade.
Sorry.
 
#18
Ulster_Rifleman said:
If the British Armed Services were to become a 'pure defence force' then our political masters would presumably identify all potential threats that that force might face, formulate a mission for said force and allocate the funds necessary to allow said force to achieve that mission.

Or perhaps not...
ROFLMAO :D They couln't organise a shag in a whorehouse
 
#19
What a marvellous opportunity to get our para-military organisations to rejoin the community-double their benefits,already armed to the teeth(sorry,just don't believe all this decommisioning twaddle),planning infrastructure,logistics,training already in place-sos,back to the Valiuum 8O
 

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