British Army not ready for urban warfare.

#3
How do they expect the armed forces to be prepaired when they are cutting the very funding that can prepare us? Why are we cutting down on defence spending when defence against terrorism, extreemists, and other threats is still high. I think its rediculous. They should cut the welfare systems funding instead, there are too many ignorant, lazy and down right selfish people abusing that particular system.
 

Grumblegrunt

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#4
the report was probably based on the question 'could the army rise up and seize the oppressive yoke of govt from the corrupt leadership if required.'

its right though, if we dont have the manpower which we wont then we certainly dont have the equipment, training or experience to tackle anything bigger than ross on wye and even thats questionable.
 
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pp0470

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#5
the report was probably based on the question 'could the army rise up and seize the oppressive yoke of govt from the corrupt leadership if required.'

its right though, if we dont have the manpower which we wont then we certainly dont have the equipment, training or experience to tackle anything bigger than ross on wye and even thats questionable.
Your dirty tease. I bet we could (assuming we had joanna lumley in our arssenal ;)) - anyone take that wager?

Seriously - who would oppose us? And how many would applaud us?
 
#6
Maybe the Army is too busy refining it's MO in the current conflict rather then preparing for an 'imaginary' war.

If we don't have the necessary equipment for urban warfare maybe we could just muddle through for 5 years (waiting for UOR to kick in) whilst the politicians insist we have everything we require????
 
#7
Sounds like alot of bullshit to me, I'd imagine we are constantly learning from operational feedback the same way our kit gets improved, and it really isn't that exclusive for the Daily Telegraph to have obtained, I found it simply by googling "Agile Warrior 11", its an official press release simply for future recommendations of development for 10 years down the line

www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/Agile_Warrior11_Report.pdf
 
#8
the report was probably based on the question 'could the army rise up and seize the oppressive yoke of govt from the corrupt leadership if required.'

its right though, if we dont have the manpower which we wont then we certainly dont have the equipment, training or experience to tackle anything bigger than ross on wye and even thats questionable.
Ross would make a great FISH/CHIPS training site.About all it's good for.
 
#9
Ross would make a great FISH/CHIPS training site.About all it's good for.
Now be fair, it is a really good geography field trip location and the White Lion does a mean home-made pasty. I had a gobble off an Australian bird there in a four poster bed. So I would be sorry to see it turned into Stalingrad lite...
 

Andy_S

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#10
Army not ready for combat ops in urban areas? So the lessons of Basra have already been forgotten? That didn't take long.

The Torygraf (or its headline writer) seems to be talking about danger to low flying choppers (a risk that is ever present, as the US found in Somalia, but which does not invalidate use of helicopters)and lack of precision weapons (which could mean anything). As for tanks not being suited to urban operations - 'twas ever thus.

Urban operations are about small unit infantry tactics and junior battle leaders who can operate independently of higher command and take the initiative. In that sense, I would guess that the British Army is, despite recent setbacks, still one of the best in the world.

IMHO, those in the media who write about the army are far too fixated on technology, not fixated nearly enough on the human element - beyond weepy "Another soldier KIA in Afghan" stories.
 

A2_Matelot

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#11
From the artilce: "Defence and the Army have no institutional mechanism for understanding our potential future adversaries,” the document says. Officers planning, training, and deploying Army units “need a thorough understanding of potential adversaries before the crisis hits.”

Isn't that what DCDC helps us do, predict future trends and model strategic assumptions onto them, hence developing doctrine to fight in a variety of future scenarios - and from that doctrine and Defence Strategic Guidance[or whatever its new name is] we develop capabilirty [kit] programmes?

Plus, as King-Walt points out, I suspect we may have learned the odd lesson in the last 20-30 years and all these have been added to CONOPS/SOPs. Who knows we may even have the same capability post HERRICK as we do now...
 
#16
This thread has been running a long time without somebody either mentioning "FIPAC" or raving about the sniper, god of urban battle...is this thing broken? :lol:
 
#17
The experts on urban and COIN are the Americans after their rewrite of their FM's.

They went to Iraq and Afghanistan, made many mistakes, had a good corporate top down and bottom up rethink and came up trumps with winning tactics and strategies.

We went in convinced we had all the answers and have paid a very heavy and painful price for our General Staffs arrogance and obsession we have all the answers and have/had nothing to learn.
 
#18
Not many Countries could deal with proper FIBUA these days as none can afford the sheer amount of lives and casualties it eats up. Ask The Russians how they got on in Berlin. With modern weapon systems and a generation that favours the IED to Queensbury rules we wouldn't stand a chance of clearing anything more than a TA Drill Hall.
 
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Tinman74

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#20
We should adopt the Russian SOP they used during Chechnya and flatten the place with artillery and Cas.
 

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