British Army #Metoo

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second post in too.

Luckily the media don't monitor this site for reactions to upcoming military related news items
Well, the important and serious bits of the media don't bother.
 
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"The British Army needs its #MeToo moment"

What was wrong with the original one?
 
I agree with most of this except the part in bold. What if "the lads" interpret a situation incorrectly and fill in an innocent person? What if they go overboard and accidentally kill someone?

What if the person receiving the punishment from "the lads" then complains, and gets compensation for receiving an extra-judicial punishment?
There are pro's and con's to every solution. It's possible that the weird guy who is doesnt go drinking with the other lads may become collateral damage one day. A healthy mix of the two may be the solution. Caught red handed, get filled in, badly, Unsure circumstances, nobody too sure, get the officers to deal with it.

A lot of the problems that we face in society, people not knowing how to behave, stem from youngsters not facing any repercussions for their actions. I'm not even that old but when I was 18, if I had attempted to rape somebody, my mates would have filled me in and quite rightly so. We didn't go around white knighting or anything of the sort but me and a few mates have escorted some drunk females home before who were being harassed by even drunker sqaudies who I did not like the look of. I just had a bad feeling and knew that the girls were going to be followed, especially the gobby one.

There are other examples of times where my presence alone has been enough to deter predatory behaviour. Human's are ambush predators and once they know that I know what they are thinking, the ambush wont work and they will have to move on and try somebody else.
 
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What? wake up each morning and say to themselves "who's life shall we ruin today?". Rape and actual sexual harassment should of course be dealt with but the majority of the me too casualties were just people who once touched somebody on the knee or shoulder or who read the messages wrongly and made unwelcome advances.

There is a massive difference between sexual harassment and touching somebody on the arm and the metoo movement utterly failed to make that distinction.

The army does not need a metoo movement, it needs to deal with anyone who mistreats, rapes, assaults or abuses people with sexual motives very harshly. I would prefer to see them dealt with by the lads, somewhere quiet.

Ask yourself this, if you witnessed or heard about a female soldier being sexually attacked, raped or otherwise, would you stand by and allow it to happen or would you intervene. I know what I would do and have done in the past.
What to do though, I remember well my SSM on a parade in 1994/5 . Checking the dress standards of my troops on parade before the C.Os inspection. They /we were in bloody barrack dress, so shiny trousers and wooly pulleys.

He came up to a female and she had some “lint” on her wooly pulley. So he has to say.

”You have something on your dress, I will touch your ............ chest area to remove it”.

And he did , wonder if she would be trying to cash in on the metoo?
 
For a start, Nelson has 1000s of people passing through it daily: think something like a camp where multiple units are in residence at any one time - are you going to put a Brigade's worth of units into a woodblock? Just because a couple of them banged on a door?
It wasn't just banging on a door, though, was it?

Given that it wasn't, what did you do, or what do you think should have been done?

Its easy for us all to vaguely point to a culture we despise. However, that's the easy part - addressing it in some form is what anyone over LCpl is paid to do.

I don't think the nearest officers/Regulators should have immediately pulled pistols & formed a stack in order to do room clearance drills on NELSON.

However generalising the problem gets you off the hook and making excuses for it ( "no point reporting it, couldn't have done anything anyway", ) leads to great results like working parties where serious nodding & report writing is done, the accumulation of anecdata via social media & more mandatory Powerpoint slides to make everyone feel like Something is Being Done.

The Army ( like many organisations ) does poorly accommodate women, to its detriment. It needs more members reporting & getting their hands dirty to ensure the issues & behaviour are gripped. That includes the kind of incidents you mention but seemingly turned a Nelsonian eye to.
 

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The thing on board a ship with banging on doors...
As someone said earlier, any SNCO/JNCO who had heard it would have gripped the blokes then and there and seen them the next day too.
All this crap about instances going unreported may be down to a couple of things:

1. The female in questions' lack of courage, not wishing to appear weak or moany.
2. The female in questions' lack of knowledge of reporting things one up, or further.
3. The perception that boorish behaviour is sanctioned and any complaining will get the female in question the skunk-eye and possibly less than favourable CR.

There should be nothing historical. If there is and time has passed...well was it a big deal in the first place? if it was, go back to items above. Im not saying women in the block should be treated like slags but even in the 80s and 90s, processes were in place for dealing with it. Now even more so.

If the Army go down the Me Too route, then it will be one of the final nails in the coffin of the once great British Army.
If they can't take a joke they shouldn't have joined .... no one invited them , it was just someone's ...er, bolloxs idea, forced onto us by those who don't have to put up with the grief the lasses get , ...

But there's no doubt, being one of a few blokes in a Women dominated environment would be similar if not a lot fecking worse with half of them wanting to kill you for having a cock and the other half grabbing you balls and arrse because you got one.

oo, eer Missus
 

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It wasn't just banging on a door, though, was it?

Given that it wasn't, what did you do, or what do you think should have been done?

Its easy for us all to vaguely point to a culture we despise. However, that's the easy part - addressing it in some form is what anyone over LCpl is paid to do.

I don't think the nearest officers/Regulators should have immediately pulled pistols & formed a stack in order to do room clearance drills on NELSON.

However generalising the problem gets you off the hook and making excuses for it ( "no point reporting it, couldn't have done anything anyway", ) leads to great results like working parties where serious nodding & report writing is done, the accumulation of anecdata via social media & more mandatory Powerpoint slides to make everyone feel like Something is Being Done.

The Army ( like many organisations ) does poorly accommodate women, to its detriment. It needs more members reporting & getting their hands dirty to ensure the issues & behaviour are gripped. That includes the kind of incidents you mention but seemingly turned a Nelsonian eye to.
Plus an end to the culture that says getting the unit on the wrong radar is career toast.
 
Go and ask them - ask with an open mind and a shut gob. Ask them about how they've been "cat called" in the street, or felt up in bars and the 100s of 1000s of daily shit interactions they've had to put up wit. Ask them how many run with keys between their fingers when they're jogging at night, or choose not to do phys at all in darkness.

Then let us know.

She let it go because trying to identify 4 or 5 pissed matelots from their lairy voices in a shitty mixed mess-block in NELSON is pretty much impossible. I doubt the RN Police would've (or could've) done much beyond take a brief statement and put it in the Daily Occurrence Log.
How long ago was this Alf? When I was last at Nelson JR's accommodation was SLA and was separate to the SR's & WO's. Officers were billeted in the wardrobe over the road. I would expect a YO to be billeted with the rest of the officer class not with JRs or SRs so who was responsible and how did it come about? Is there now no separation between ranks for accommodation purposes?
 
What to do though, I remember well my SSM on a parade in 1994/5 . Checking the dress standards of my troops on parade before the C.Os inspection. They /we were in bloody barrack dress, so shiny trousers and wooly pulleys.

He came up to a female and she had some “lint” on her wooly pulley. So he has to say.

”You have something on your dress, I will touch your ............ chest area to remove it”.

And he did , wonder if she would be trying to cash in on the metoo?
So long as he did not touch her chest area with his cock, he should be fine.
 
How long ago was this Alf? When I was last at Nelson JR's accommodation was SLA and was separate to the SR's & WO's. Officers were billeted in the wardrobe over the road. I would expect a YO to be billeted with the rest of the officer class not with JRs or SRs so who was responsible and how did it come about? Is there now no separation between ranks for accommodation purposes?
last couple of years.

It was when she was an OC (i.e. not yet a full Officer) so my understanding is that they are in whatever the replacement for Britannia Block is.
 
Having to double take in a situation now ?

do you push someone up and over a wall, where do you touch ? What do they consider harassment ? In a split second are you shot because of it ? We see how we are treated from NI past incidents
Do they still have 12 foot walls or assault courses these days. I thought they would be banned under Health and Safety.
 
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