British Army-bunch of scruffs... or what?

#1
Now that I have your attention, I felt the need(?!) to discuss something that has gripped me for a few years now.
I have served with many different Arms & Regiments in my time and have worn many different forms and colours of head dress and fully support the idea of Regimental identity etc.
One thing really does grip me though.Why can't the Army enforce the wearing of service issued clothing in a uniform matter? :?
I mean, in my current unit today, I saw people on a parade(Officers, WO's & SNCO's included) wearing about 6 different types of boots, some issued, some not, 4 or 5 types of jacket/smock, again some issued,others not.
Some people used trouser twists and others used the ties. In all, they looked a bit of a mess.
I am not a huge fan of the Yanks, but credit where it is due, they at least look uniformal! We look like we've raided the nearest Military surplus store and dished kit out willy nilly.
I admit to having privately bought kit myself, but I ONLY use it on exersice.
I remember as a young soldier getting gripped by my CSM for having a non-issued beret, he would have gone ape if he was there this morning.What do you all think, are we letting standards slip or am I being a bit of a whingeing tit? :?:
 
#2
Seems like a whine to me
Have you seen the issued beret? its huge
Why have a go at soldiers who have gone out and bought there own kit aslong as kit is ironed boots are polished and your beret doesnt look like you have just cleaned your car with it who cares.
Twisters ties elastic bands not bothered
 
#3
so your saying you would rather wear a set of assault boots tabbing than a set of lowas , people use differnt kit for a reason and some of the americans kit is gucci enough that they don't have to buy it yet i see were your coming from.
if the army used the kit we want to were and issued it, it would save us money and make you happy
 
#4
standards slip. the army started doing that when all the gobshites that joined up back in about 2000.
 
#5
G104MEN said:
Now that I have your attention, I felt the need(?!) to discuss something that has gripped me for a few years now.
I have served with many different Arms & Regiments in my time and have worn many different forms and colours of head dress and fully support the idea of Regimental identity etc.
One thing really does grip me though.Why can't the Army enforce the wearing of service issued clothing in a uniform matter? :?
I mean, in my current unit today, I saw people on a parade(Officers, WO's & SNCO's included) wearing about 6 different types of boots, some issued, some not, 4 or 5 types of jacket/smock, again some issued,others not.
Some people used trouser twists and others used the ties. In all, they looked a bit of a mess.
I am not a huge fan of the Yanks, but credit where it is due, they at least look uniformal! We look like we've raided the nearest Military surplus store and dished kit out willy nilly.
I admit to having privately bought kit myself, but I ONLY use it on exersice.
I remember as a young soldier getting gripped by my CSM for having a non-issued beret, he would have gone ape if he was there this morning.What do you all think, are we letting standards slip or am I being a bit of a whingeing tit? :?:
Have you asked the RSM personally about this? After all, it's his bag.

What were you doing with a non-issued beret when you were a young soldier? Just a question.
 
#6
I'm the single most scruffy bloke in NATO. However every day my boots are polished and i put fresh combats T shirt and socks on daily. Its (I wouldn't say Pressed) rubbed over with an iron and my boots get gripped by the hedgehog outside the block then kiwi-kit daily.

I don't see a problem as long as said scruffy cnut knows his/her/its job inside out and performs when expected to.
 
#7
on a parade I'd expect some attempt to ensure everyone was wearing the same shirt/smock/trousers/boots. Beyond that, I don't care what my lads wear whilst conducting training as long as it does the job, is DPM and keeps their feet dry.

On the subject on Septics, a certain Falstaffian GOC sent us a 2 page memo whinging about tailored bush hats and people drinking out of bottles of water whilst on guard and wanted us to be more professional in our appearance, like the septics. The same septics who regularly brassed up Allied white fleet and green fleet on the roads from Navistar having waved them on..........

Anyway, I'd rather be in Fred Karno's army than any bunch of **** septics!
 
#9
I hear what most of you are saying and will answer a few of your points:

1. Yes, I would prefer to tab/yomp whatever in Lowa's, but if I can do it whilst training in Pussers boots then if I ever had to do it for real in non-issue boots, easy peasy.In fact, I used a pair of civy Scarpa boots for many years,just gone U/S and replaced with Lowa's.
2. No, I haven't spoken to RSM , he was wearing non-issue boots!! But he did have an issued jacket, highly pressed, of course!
3. I was wearing a non-issue beret because I thought it looked better.Shit bust.However my old CSM did not.Shit bust. 4 extra's later, I subscribed to his take on dress regs.

I agree,of course, with those who would have their guy's ability and performance take precedence over their state of dress,BUT, I still firmly believe, in camp at the very least, there is no need whatsoever to walk around dressed Ally as **** in Lowa boots , Para/Artic/SAS SMOCK etc when your a clerk/chef/storeman(like me) or whatever.
It would be nice ,however, if Lowa's became an issued piece of kit,along with a few other items.Might stop all this going on. :)
 
#10
Some valid points. When on parade its up to the chain of command to ensure all are dressed the same. On exercise/ops anybody can be uncomfortable.
 
#11
DPM should be worn in the field - thats what its designed for. Roll on the return to barrack dress!
 

chrisg46

LE
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#12
Kitmarlowe said:
on a parade I'd expect some attempt to ensure everyone was wearing the same shirt/smock/trousers/boots. Beyond that, I don't care what my lads wear whilst conducting training as long as it does the job, is DPM and keeps their feet dry.

On the subject on Septics, a certain Falstaffian GOC sent us a 2 page memo whinging about tailored bush hats and people drinking out of bottles of water whilst on guard and wanted us to be more professional in our appearance, like the septics. The same septics who regularly brassed up Allied white fleet and green fleet on the roads from Navistar having waved them on..........

Anyway, I'd rather be in Fred Karno's army than any bunch of **** septics!
That was telic 5 right? if so, i remember reading the memo some monthsd after it was issued, and asking the guy next to me wtf? he just shrugged and shook his head.
 
#13
chrisg46 said:
Kitmarlowe said:
on a parade I'd expect some attempt to ensure everyone was wearing the same shirt/smock/trousers/boots. Beyond that, I don't care what my lads wear whilst conducting training as long as it does the job, is DPM and keeps their feet dry.

On the subject on Septics, a certain Falstaffian GOC sent us a 2 page memo whinging about tailored bush hats and people drinking out of bottles of water whilst on guard and wanted us to be more professional in our appearance, like the septics. The same septics who regularly brassed up Allied white fleet and green fleet on the roads from Navistar having waved them on..........

Anyway, I'd rather be in Fred Karno's army than any bunch of **** septics!
That was telic 5 right? if so, i remember reading the memo some monthsd after it was issued, and asking the guy next to me wtf? he just shrugged and shook his head.
Yep! A very busy GOC, so busy he had time to whinge about lads whose camlbaks had bust, but couldn't get replaced so drank out of water bottles. The man so important that his guard went up from 8 lads to 32 lads..........
 
#14
Whilst on parade, I belive soldiers should all be wearing the same uniform, however boots (I belive) should be a soldiers choice. So long as they are black and well maintained what is the problem.

The one thing that really grips my s**t is people who have an injury and are eccused wearing boots, then they wear their own civvi pattern trainers. They should wear the issue sports shoes, granted they are not the best looking but at least they would all be wearing the same colour and style.
 
#15
Bring back working dress, problem solved.

Each man wears issue boots, Lightweigts, Shirt, Jumper HW, beret, belt.

Jobs a good 'un.

Looks smart, feels smart, and keeps the DPM for the field (so we don't have to badge it up).

I have never been happy whereing your CS 95 all of th etime. Esp as people have decided that the Jakcet LW is now a shirt, and shouldn't be worn on Ex. And has to be tucked in.
 

the_boy_syrup

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Book Reviewer
#17
I remember C95 being described as ' Cuban combats ' as it made us look like a third world army
When I was at Windsor in 2004 the fashion in the HCR seemed to be no twistys or ties trousers were worn ' loose' and sat just by the ankle of the boot
I asked about it and was told the RCM approved
Do the RAF still wearr blues as theeir normal working ddress or are they in C95?
 
#18
jimmys_best_mate said:
Until you get within 45 feet of a Panzer/Warrior/Chally/CVR(T)/Rover/Tonner etc, then it looks like a mechanics rag that the QM's won't exchange because they've already issued out two pairs this month.
A common arguement to my point of view. My reply? Always the same.

Use the issued Coveralls.

I had several issued sets, some badged up as well.

It was an acceptable form of dress to wear covies with belt, beret and a T-shirt (sqn ones too, with blue, dark blue, green and red). Ear defence worn on belt, as too a FFD, taped to it. Although that was more of a nod to when we went on the ranges, and lads just didn't take them off.

Obviously some form of common sense has to be exercised, if they are oil stained but have been cleaned then do they need changing?

Let's go the whole hog. Each man gets two full sets of working dress (one jumper) and two sets of covies. Unless they are an office type (Tp seniors) when they can exchange a set of working for a set of covies.

WOs+ and Clks, med centres, RPs etc can wear barrack dress of 2s trousers and shirt. Very smart.

In the past every one was issued a substantial amount of clothing that they didn't wear. Surely in the computerisd age we can have a "dynamic dress reg" where your post determines your clothing requirement in barracks?
 
#19
I am suprised at this post as we have far bigger fish to fry really. As long as a soldier is wearing the corps items of uniform:

Combat 95 trousers and shirt with T-shirt
beret
stable belt or equiv
boots

As long as this uniform is clean, pressed to basic standards and with brushed beret and polished boots; what is the problem?

US Forces purchase most of their kit anyway and I am sure they have a tax-break system designed with this in mind. The items available for them to purchase are often subsidised and are far superior to the majority of the crap we get foisted upon us. This is the main reason they appear to be wearing exactly the same kit (they are not if you look close up). They certainly do not press their kit, brush their boots and have the worst head-dress in NATO...

If a soldier has enough interest to purchase superior kit he should not have some idiot like you questioning it without cogent argument other than 'I was once told off by a CSM and I am now an automaton'

:roll:
 
#20
At the end of the day, these are clothes to do a job in, not a fashion show, so as long as they are dressed in clothing of the same type, surely no problem.
 

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