British armed forces are the best in the World

British armed forces are...

  • among the best, but not number 1.

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  • among the best, not worse than others.

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  • absolutely the best, better that others

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  • A b**** of f****** c****

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  • not something special. Mean level.

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  • only better than many others.

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#1
In the poll conducted recently the public were asked the extent to which they agree with the statement that "The British Army is among the best in the world" - 36% strongly agree, and 44% tend to agree. Just 2% disagreed with this statement.

It would be intersting to know an opinion of British sevice(wo)men.

Note, that the last option is added for those who doesn't hold HM armed forces in high esteem. Absolutely disagree with it.
 
#2
At its current size it is somewhat sub-optimal and rather as Kaiser Wilhelm put it in 1914

Army Order Issued by Emperor William II, 19 August 1914

It is my Royal and Imperial command that you concentrate your energies, for the immediate present, upon one single purpose, and that is that you address all your skill and all the valour of my soldiers to exterminate first the treacherous English and walk over General French's contemptible little army.

Headquarters, Aix-la-Chapelle
rather small............a British failing which has forced it throughout history to seek Continental Allies...............until 1870 Prussia, and thereafter France, and failing France, the USA to balance its entry into every major war with subscale forces...........but for the British Empire its slowness in building up sufficient strength would have been fatal.

You Russians maintain your armies too big, we British maintain them too small
 
#3
Voyager said:
At its current size it is somewhat sub-optimal and rather as Kaiser Wilhelm put it in 1914

Army Order Issued by Emperor William II, 19 August 1914

It is my Royal and Imperial command that you concentrate your energies, for the immediate present, upon one single purpose, and that is that you address all your skill and all the valour of my soldiers to exterminate first the treacherous English and walk over General French's contemptible little army.

Headquarters, Aix-la-Chapelle
rather small............a British failing which has forced it throughout history to seek Continental Allies...............until 1870 Prussia, and thereafter France, and failing France, the USA to balance its entry into every major war with subscale forces...........but for the British Empire its slowness in building up sufficient strength would have been fatal.

You Russians maintain your armies too big, we British maintain them too small
True,But we British have the ability to make do with very little.
 
#4
No - what we do is become known as the borrowers to maintain the level we do.

Whilst a smaller, more agile army is what the policians aspire to (for cost) and other comments of "doing more with less" from the CoC no less (we have enough threads about the CoC selling us down the river) , the age old statement of quantity has a quality all to itself, still rings true.

Yes, we are good and probably man for man at least as well trained as anyone else in the world but.....

No 1 in the world? Sadly not a chance these days
 
#5
I think we have the best trained soldiers in the world but in some respects our equipment lets us down. So yes, we have the best soldiers in the world but not the best army.
 
#6
i put 'absolutely the best, better that others' but if these cuts continue then it will undoutibly god to ratsh1t
 
#7
KGB_resident said:
In the poll conducted recently the public were asked the extent to which they agree with the statement that "The British Army is among the best in the world" - 36% strongly agree, and 44% tend to agree. Just 2% disagreed with this statement.

It would be intersting to know an opinion of British sevice(wo)men.

Note, that the last option is added for those who doesn't hold HM armed forces in high esteem. Absolutely disagree with it.
Sergey,

Purely because it is you, I voted "The best..."

I don't necessarily believe it because I don't think we are sufficiently well-resourced for what we are trying to do!

And I don't want to be around when we come up against a bigger boy in the playground!

Litotes
 
#8
Litotes said:
KGB_resident said:
In the poll conducted recently the public were asked the extent to which they agree with the statement that "The British Army is among the best in the world" - 36% strongly agree, and 44% tend to agree. Just 2% disagreed with this statement.

It would be intersting to know an opinion of British sevice(wo)men.

Note, that the last option is added for those who doesn't hold HM armed forces in high esteem. Absolutely disagree with it.
Sergey,

Purely because it is you, I voted "The best..."

I don't necessarily believe it because I don't think we are sufficiently well-resourced for what we are trying to do!

And I don't want to be around when we come up against a bigger boy in the playground!

Litotes
I understand you Litotes. Maybe... maybe you are right and the answer depends on the questioner.

Frankly speaking I expected that option #2 would be the most popular.
 
#9
Fallschirmjager said:
I think we have the best trained soldiers in the world but in some respects our equipment lets us down. So yes, we have the best soldiers in the world but not the best army.
Totally agree.

Best Soldiers
Mediocre Army
Poor Government

Get a new government that will invest and support a suffering Armed Forces!
 
#10
Fallschirmjager said:
I think we have the best trained soldiers in the world but in some respects our equipment lets us down. So yes, we have the best soldiers in the world but not the best army.
TV documentary, over 2 decades ago filmed during Ex "Crusader 80" - some Yank soldier commented to the BBC "the Brits - best trained, worst equipped Army in the world"

Some things never change?
 
#14
We are a good force. Not the best anymore in my opinion and are slowly falling south. We aren't the boys who re took the falklands anymore and sadly we are just living on the reputation of the boys that did.
 
#15
What a load of rubbish. That may well be the case in your unit but the young toms in Para Regt are just as good as their forebearers as they proved in Afghanistan. TBH i was of your frame of mind until a few months ago.
 
#16
Your talking about the infantry and your assuming i'm talking about the quality of the soldier. I'm talking our quality as an army Which has dropped with time and the playstation generation (myself included i'm sure). I struggle to find blokes even interested in the job anymore. Its all X box 360's and little britain. Very few of the boys play sports or volunteer for adventure training anymore.
Your right, 3PARA have just put on an excellent show as has any other unit deployed in Iraq/Afghan because they have to. I just think we aren't the Fit strong hairy arse generation that got stuck in 25 years ago. That was my old mans generation when the Brit army produced alot better than it is these days (Again before i take stick probably myself included)
 
#17
Man for man... amongst the best, because each soldier is a volunteer, makes a career out of the army and gets regular operational experience.

However... and I never thought I'd say this, having once been a brainwashed believer, but the equipment stinks. Just take a look around the other NATO armies to see how much British stuff they buy.
 
#18
This thread seems to be focusing purely on infantry-led land operations, which is only one facet of military operations. The question referred to the UK armed forces as a whole. How many here think the RAF are 'absolutely the best in the world'? Not Maj. Loden, for one. Not forgetting there are whole areas of capability the UK forces are completely lacking.

Personally I think the HMAF range from average/good to very good within the limits of their capabilities - but those capabilities are strictly limited.

I take such 'best in the world' claims with a huge pinch of salt - I remember as a kid hearing how British cars were the 'best in the world', British television far better than anyone elses, and the NHS was absolutely world class. Anyone care to defend those claims now?

In a sense this 'best in the world' claim is not doing HMAF any favours. It enables self-aggrandising politicos like Blair to send them on too many ops with too little funding.

Donald Rumsfeld's comments on the eve of OIF and GI's nicknaming the British forces "The Borrowers" and "The Flintstones" show what they think (personally I've also witnessed an F15C pilot openly laughing at the supposed 'capabilities' of the Tornado F3), but it would be interesting to hear the views of other nations, such as the French, Russians, Germans, etc.
 
#20
We aren't the best, we are amongst the best and we always will be that - to decide who is best, we or I would have to know every army and every body of soldiers in the world.

ButI am of the belief, that we are the best due to our regimental system!
 

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