British Airways To Cut 12000 Jobs

My concern is that 'strategic' will become shorthand for dewy-eyed fantasies about our national 'flag carrier' and we'll wind up bailing out (on very favourable terms) a bloated and inept company because, well, it's BA, isn't it?
BA is Spanish domiciled (IAG) and majority foreign owned.

Nothing dewy-eyed to be seen here.
 
I'll just leave this here for the poster that loudly proclaimed '' Australia has almost eradicated Covid ''




Perhaps it was not a good idea to lift all those internal restrictions.

Which is why the UK is absolutely correct in keeping the 14 day quarantine and F**k BA's wibbling.
How is that eradication coming along @bobthebuilder ?

A hard lockdown in Australia’s second-largest city will likely erase nearly A$5 billion of economic output over six weeks, slowing a broader national recovery and forcing the government to expand its already massive debt-funded stimulus.

More humble pie ?
 
No redundancies at TUI U.K. amongst pilots. Phased return to work with reduced pay commensurate with reduced rostered duty time.
 
I read this somewhere else last week.

Whilst I am very happy that a large number of people will be keeping their jobs.

It does bring in to question the slash and burn policy of both BA and the resident BA Investor. 1200 down to less than 300 is rather a large jump.
When your investors and accountants know you have a bloated company which is not operating lean then roll out the latest virus and reap the benefits. Desk space in abundance!
 
I read this somewhere else last week.

Whilst I am very happy that a large number of people will be keeping their jobs.

It does bring in to question the slash and burn policy of both BA and the resident BA Investor. 1200 down to less than 300 is rather a large jump.
The article states the deal is intended to abert 1200 job losses from 4300 currently, not 1200 down to less than 300.
 

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Here comes the second wave,


Going by their infection figures up to yesterday, France could well be next.
 

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Here comes the second wave,


Going by their infection figures up to yesterday, France could well be next.
So long as the whingeing about cancelled holidays and 'I can't take an extra two weeks off to travel overseas against FCO Advice ' doesn't drown out the common sense of not travelling to places where the virus is not under control.
 

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BA job losses latest, strike action planned,


Now, let's get this right, a company running at around 10% of capacity and losing at least £20 million a day is threatened with strikes?

Might not management just pull the plug on BA, then another branch of IAG fills the ( now small and shrinking) void left by the departure of BA?.

A time like this is not the time for the communists at Unite to be threatening strikes.
 

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So long as the whingeing about cancelled holidays and 'I can't take an extra two weeks off to travel overseas against FCO Advice ' doesn't drown out the common sense of not travelling to places where the virus is not under control.
And from comments elsewhere from expats in Spain "the British and German holidaymakers must have left their brains at home".

What does it take to get the message into the skulls of some people that this disease does not take a holiday, and if gormless chavs keep flouting the rules, this disease will still be here in 2025?.
 
BA job losses latest, strike action planned,


Now, let's get this right, a company running at around 10% of capacity and losing at least £20 million a day is threatened with strikes?

Might not management just pull the plug on BA, then another branch of IAG fills the ( now small and shrinking) void left by the departure of BA?.

A time like this is not the time for the communists at Unite to be threatening strikes.
What else can they do? It makes me chuckle when communists like McCluskey bang on like this - as if he cares!

Waiting on a decision on the future and will take it as it comes.
 
A time like this is not the time for the communists at Unite to be threatening strikes.
History is full of unions doing exactly this......they killed most of British industry so may as well kill off the national airline...... "protect workers rights......oh! ..... now they're all not working " thick as mince the lot of them
 
History is full of unions doing exactly this......they killed most of British industry so may as well kill off the national airline...... "protect workers rights......oh! ..... now they're all not working " thick as mince the lot of them
No, not all of them. See post #884 and please, consider the value that sweeping generalisations bring to the debate and / or the simple fact that a number of people here are either personally in the crossfire of this shambles or closely connected with someone who is. Whichever “side” you chose to “blame” for the nightmare engulfing not just BA, but the entire industry, the “little people“ are the ones who are carrying the can. Walsh, Cruz, McCluskey and their cohorts will still be in post (or at worstfrom their perspective, pensioned off in handsomely “rewarded” retirement) when the dust settles. A great number of peoples’ dreams, aspirations and careers will form that dust.

BA cabin crew have already been lead to near oblivion once by McCluskey and the background mutterings behind the willy waving grow in volume daily. His days are numbered but why should he care? For his part, he seems to confine himself to spouting increasingly irrelevant half truths in Twitter posts from The Ivy these days. Cruz and Walsh dine elsewhere but their output is the same shit, different stink.
 
What else can they do? It makes me chuckle when communists like McCluskey bang on like this - as if he cares!

Waiting on a decision on the future and will take it as it comes.
Not enough likes.

Hope you’re bearing up ok?
 
And from comments elsewhere from expats in Spain "the British and German holidaymakers must have left their brains at home".

What does it take to get the message into the skulls of some people that this disease does not take a holiday, and if gormless chavs keep flouting the rules, this disease will still be here in 2025?.
Whilst bleating ceaselessly about the nasty foreign Governments making it difficult for them to pocket tourist coin or not being able to get Marmite in the local El Sainsbury’s.

What it takes to get the message across is for local authorities and businesses to get into their skulls that the relentless pursuit of custom by circumventing or allowing others to circumvent sensible precautions is self defeating. I’m currently in Greece and it’s very simple; follow the “onerous” restrictions, which are anything but, or you don’t get in to the bar / restaurant. Break the rules once in and you get hoofed, under your own power if you’re sensible, under police escort and looking at a minimum €1000 fine if you’re not.

Simples.
 
Whilst bleating ceaselessly about the nasty foreign Governments making it difficult for them to pocket tourist coin or not being able to get Marmite in the local El Sainsbury’s.

What it takes to get the message across is for local authorities and businesses to get into their skulls that the relentless pursuit of custom by circumventing or allowing others to circumvent sensible precautions is self defeating. I’m currently in Greece and it’s very simple; follow the “onerous” restrictions, which are anything but, or you don’t get in to the bar / restaurant. Break the rules once in and you get hoofed, under your own power if you’re sensible, under police escort and looking at a minimum €1000 fine if you’re not.

Simples.
Heard an interesting one from Singapore. Expat family living there entertain 7 people to dinner, gov limit being 5.
Dubbed in by their doorman, all attendees get £1000 equivalent fine and Expat family given 72hrs to leave Singapore.

Scratch the surface there and the ghost of Lee Kwan Yew is not very far below
 
Heard an interesting one from Singapore. Expat family living there entertain 7 people to dinner, gov limit being 5.
Dubbed in by their doorman, all attendees get £1000 equivalent fine and Expat family given 72hrs to leave Singapore.

Scratch the surface there and the ghost of Lee Kwan Yew is not very far below
I‘m a bit ambivalent about Singapore; their attitude to the law or more pertinently, who the law applies to, makes my shit itch but then again, it is their country and if you want to be there, play the game. It’d be nice if we tried some of that a bit nearer to home.

I went for a job out there 20 odd years ago. They footed the bill for the whole 3 day affair which was pleasant. Besides all the usual interviews, medical, psychometric testing, simulator assessment etc. was a cocktail party that they went to great lengths to advertise as not being part of the assessment. That line was pushed far too hard and the event was mandatory so “not assessed? yeah, riiiight” was the consensus opinion amongst us applicants.

All the company bigwigs were there but it was very apparent that there were no Europeans around and we all realised we’d not had any contact with any European despite a significant number being employed. Hmmmm?

All became clear as we left the do, we were picked up by a bunch of ex pats who’d been lurking and taken into town for a more realistic intro to the job. In summary, you could expect 5-7 years on nigh on slave wages that we’d struggle to live in given the very high cost of living locally and totally at the behest of the employer, 24/7. After that things would improve but promotions would always go to Singaporeans, followed by Asians followed by Indians followed by Europeans and demotions to open up a position for a well connected Singaporean were not unheard of.

The one guy I did get on well with was an Indian. He’d joined the company on Day 1 and they’d not been able to pay him cash so they all got payed in (then worthless) shares in the company. Fast forward 20 odd years and those shares were worth a very great deal. As we were all in an employment holding pool, he’d entertain us when he came to London and we’d all troop along even though we’d all decided that it was a last resort job, but no point in burning bridges etc.

Following one such evening I got a phone call in the wee small hours. Could I come to the police station and help? The guy had just sprung for a night on the piss for about 20 of us so why not?

When I got there it wasn’t him who needed help, it was his son. The son was the archetypal spoilt bastard who’d belted some woman who’d spurned his advances and was confused as to why the normal open wallet routine seemed an ineffective means of bypassing the British legal system.

I departed shortly thereafter with a non committal “good luck, get your dad to ring a lawyer”.

The very next morning I received another call to advise me that a background check of my job application had revealed a false entry and that I was removed from the applicant list and banned from Singapore for life. There was no false entry of course.

Which is as good a reason as any to never go there again, at least voluntarily, I’ve been through numerous times on duty and never had a problem.
 
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No, not all of them. See post #884 and please, consider the value that sweeping generalisations bring to the debate and / or the simple fact that a number of people here are either personally in the crossfire of this shambles or closely connected with someone who is. Whichever “side” you chose to “blame” for the nightmare engulfing not just BA, but the entire industry, the “little people“ are the ones who are carrying the can. Walsh, Cruz, McCluskey and their cohorts will still be in post (or at worstfrom their perspective, pensioned off in handsomely “rewarded” retirement) when the dust settles. A great number of peoples’ dreams, aspirations and careers will form that dust.

BA cabin crew have already been lead to near oblivion once by McCluskey and the background mutterings behind the willy waving grow in volume daily. His days are numbered but why should he care? For his part, he seems to confine himself to spouting increasingly irrelevant half truths in Twitter posts from The Ivy these days. Cruz and Walsh dine elsewhere but their output is the same shit, different stink.
Mrs is ex airline and we have many friends still involved........the lucky ones are a few years from retirement and are going now in many cases rather than be involved in the upcoming mess .

One long term BA Captain described Walsh recently as "a devious evil Irish leprechaun" and added..."who would have thought that two of them could be involved in the industry "

I have nothing but sympathy with all the airline staff involved .....little sympathy with unions......they rarely have the interest of the workers at heart ....
 
My DIL has decided to stick with the job if she can. She’ll find out on Friday if she is being made redundant or being kept on. She’s on the legacy contract so I think she’s for the old heave-ho.
 

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