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Britian to send Helicopters in support to French against Isil in Africa

Taken from todays telegraph...

Britain prepares to send military helicopters for French campaign against Islamists in Sahel

Britain will send military helicopters to join a French campaign against Islamist extremists in Africa as London and Paris move to deepen cross-Channel defence ties, the Prime Minister is expected to announce later this week.

RAF Chinooks have been offered to transport French troops in discussions ahead of a Franco-British summit on the military, security, space research and immigration.

Talks at Sandhurst will see Theresa May and Emmanuel Macron agree closer cooperation on fighting al Qaeda linked militants “at source” in north Africa.

The French president on Tuesday also said he will demand Mrs May take more responsibility for the refugee crisis as he vowed there would be no return of the so-called "jungle" migrant camp in Calais.

Around 4,000 French troops are waging a cross-border counter-terrorism campaign throughout the southern Sahara, with forces deployed to back local governments in Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Chad and Burkina Faso.
Mojave Mayhem A Royal Air Force Chinook, from RAF Odiham, inserts troops from 40 Commando Royal Marines onto a mountain peak in the Mojave Desert during Exercise Black Alligator. Exercise Black Alligator has demonstrated UK Defence interoperability between RAF Chinook Crews, Army Air Corps Apaches and Royal Marine ground troops, whilst working in demanding, austere conditions in the Californian desert. All three forces worked out of Camp Wilson, at United States Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Centre in Twenty Nine Palms.
Discussion have included British offers to send Chinook helicopters to assist French military operations Credit: SAC Nicholas Egan RAF/MOD

Whitehall sources said Britain had offered the transport aircraft to make up for shortfalls in French helicopter numbers.

RAF C-17 cargo planes helped transport French armoured vehicles to Mali in 2013 when the French first began their military campaign against Islamist rebels.

Britain and France have stepped up joint exercises and exchange programmes since the Lancaster House agreement of 2010.

Ben Barry, senior fellow for land warfare at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said the two were the only European nations to retain “combat cultures” and an appetite to take military action.
Exercise Griffin Strike, a joint military exercise between English and French forces, watched by the respective Defence Ministers of both countries. It is the largest joint exercise of the Combined Joint Expeditionary forces since the Suez Crisis. British Soldiers with their French counterparts during an inspection by Ministers. 21st April 2016
French and British troops held a joint military exercise on Salisbury Plain in 2016 Credit: David Rose

He said: “Of Europe’s largest military powers, only France and UK still seem to have the culture and capability for both expeditionary operations and to use lethal force.”

The UK decision to provide extra support to France in the Sahel is seen by UK strategists as emblematic of France’s desire to create serious ‘European’ joint military capabilities - even if these are outside the orbit of the EU itself.

The idea was first proposed by Mr Macron in his major speech on Europe at Sorbonne last September when the French president proposed a “European intervention initiative”, without providing much more than generalities.

Inviting European armed forces to engage in deep exchange programmes, Mr Macron said that Europe needs “to establish a common intervention force, a common defence budget and a common doctrine for action”.

UK sources said it was now clear that the French vision for such a “European” force existed outside the Brussels institutions, opening the door to a much deeper strategic partnership after Brexit.

“Macron is pragmatic and realises that Britain is the only nation that is prepared to do some of these things,” said one military source.

The French idea of creating a militarily capable European intervention force risks over-shadowing the EU’s recent new defence initiative, which saw 25 member states sign up to PESCO - or “permanently structured cooperation”.

The size of the members represented German demands that PESCO should be “inclusive”, rather than militarily ambitious, contrary to French desires for Europe to actually be able to project force independently.

The British have also lobbied the French hard to ensure that Brexit and PESCO does not shut UK defence contractors out of the European research and development market.

“The French are sticklers for the rules at EU level, but outside that this week will show they are moving towards a much less Brussels-centric view of operations,” the source added. “The model is still nationally based and the French clearly value the contribution the UK can make.”

Speaking in an aircraft hangar in Calais on Tuesday, Mr Macron said he would use the summit to demand Britain pay more to deal with the migrant crisis.

He also attacked "certain organisations" for spreading "lies" - referring to volunteers and charities accused of encouraging migrants to enter Britain illegally, and of fabricating claims of police brutality against them. Such groups were "far too great in number" and were "harmful to our collective effectiveness," Mr Macron said. "In 48 hours, I will raise the issues of unaccompanied child migrants, police cooperation and the release of new funds," he added.
 

Yokel

LE
What is Britian? Helicopter or helicopters?
 
Can we at least send an attack helicopter to support the French against the fuzzy-wuzzies at Calais first?

I'd support that....
 
why can't The EU send some?

Admittedly, the EU is finding their desire to promote eurocopter appears to have back fired with NH90s being shite.

We can always pull them out at the most inopportune moment should macron be a cock in Brexit negotiations.

Maybe deploy then much vaunted EuroCorps.
 

NSP

LE
why can't The EU send some?
Especially with Juncker proving Nige' right and Cleg wrong by banging on about how they will have their own EU armed forces. Time to put their money where their mouth is.

Before we run off with it next year.
 
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Especially with Juncker proving Nige' right and Cleg wrong by banging on about how they will have their own EU armed forces. Time to put their money where their mouth is.

Before we run of with it next year.
But you'll have the Germans involved in that and they like to let somebody else do the dirty work. (After working with them in AFG you ave to wonder why they deployed toranado's to AFG and then demanded nobody use their imagery for anyththing that might hurt somebody...and then they go a BBQ 150 odd Afghans stealing fuel)

You all know working with NATO it's the ABC nations that do the work. Although the Dutch aren't bad. Swedes are ok in their own niave way and then Norwegians are good but they're not in the EU.

I say cry havoc and let go the dogs of war.

Visegrád Battlegroup - Wikipedia


Could be worse. It could be this lot.

Balkan Battlegroup - Wikipedia
 

NSP

LE
why can't The EU send some?

Admittedly, the EU is finding their desire to promote eurocopter appears to have back fired with NH90s being shite.

We can always pull them out at the most inopportune moment should macron be a cock in Brexit negotiations.

Maybe deploy then much vaunted EuroCorps.
I'm fairly certain that when North Sea O&G heli' firms retired their old Aerospatial Super Pumas in favour of shiny new design-upgrade Eurocopter Super Pumas in the noughties, that was when we had a spate of unfortunate headlines as they developed a habit of falling into the sea.

We now ride S-92s. Go figure...
 
I'm fairly certain that when North Sea O&G heli' firms retired their old Aerospatial Super Pumas in favour of shiny new design-upgrade Eurocopter Super Pumas in the noughties, that was when we had a spate of unfortunate headlines as they developed a habit of falling into the sea.

We now ride S-92s. Go figure...
A bit old but there's a more recent thread covering it.

German helicopter fleet 'not fit for Nato'

Painting a civilian helicopter green doesn't turn it into s military utility helicopter
 
Of course UK should take responsibility for the refugee crisis in France.

After all, they originated here, crossed our borders without the due diligence of our LEAs, who subsequently failed to repatriate them, allowing them to congregate in France for their onward journey to the MENA.

No, hang on, that was the other guys who allowed that.

In fairness though, we are partially responsible for encouraging the waifs and strays of the planet to join the exodus by offering unrivalled hospitality.

If I was a male of fighting age living in a fly blown sh1thole, I'd be paddling a lilo across the channel for a slice of the action too.
 

NSP

LE
A bit old but there's a more recent thread covering it.

German helicopter fleet 'not fit for Nato'

Painting a civilian helicopter green doesn't turn it into s military utility helicopter
As far as I know North Sea oil and gas crew-changes don't involve NH90s. S-92, S-76, AW139 and Dauphin II seem to be the chariots of choice. Although the heli' operators still have EC Super Pumas in inventory they've largely been banned from using them for O&G by the offshore operators.

As far as I'm aware neither Bond, CHC or Bristow even have NH90s on their books.
 
Why can’t they borrow Hun CH-53’s?
Have you ever worked with the Germans?

That'll be caveated with a 'you can use our helicopters only if you promise not to use them to transport troops that will conduct kinetic ops.'

They seemed to permanently have an airforce colonel running around verifying that non of their imagery was being used for kinetic ops.

German kinetic activity consists of having a serious discussion at HQ and then taking an ad out in the local paper to say they're not happy that the bad guys aren't doing what german J2 had hoped they wouldn't do.
 
Have you ever worked with the Germans?

That'll be caveated with a 'you can use our helicopters only if you promise not to use them to transport troops that will conduct kinetic ops.'

They seemed to permanently have an airforce colonel running around verifying that non of their imagery was being used for kinetic ops.

German kinetic activity consists of having a serious discussion at HQ and then taking an ad out in the local paper to say they're not happy that the bad guys aren't doing what german J2 had hoped they wouldn't do.


There we go, a perfect solution!
It will stop the Phrench getting themselves into trouble!
 
There we go, a perfect solution!
It will stop the Phrench getting themselves into trouble!
On a more serious note though. I have no problem supporting the French on this.

They've done a good job at keeping the media out of the way so they can have a chance of getting stuff somebody that needs doing.
 
If I was a male of fighting age living in a fly blown sh1thole, I'd be paddling a lilo across the channel for a slice of the action too.

Now now, don't use the word sh*thole to describe these paradises that the inhabitants of are risking life and limb to flee from. Off you go and apologise to the wonderful benefactors who run the not-sh*tholes, they will be very upset that their saintly efforts to bring prosperity and health to their oh so lucky citizens have been so rubbished.
 

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